GolfPopper6 hours ago
"Oh, better that her shattered hulk
Should sink beneath the wave;
Her thunders shook the mighty deep,
And there should be her grave;
Nail to the mast her holy flag,
Set every threadbare sail,
And give her to the god of storms,
The lightning and the gale!"
tylergetsay6 hours ago
Incase anyone was unaware part of the consideration for where to sink it is access for divers -- the top will be around 55ft deep which will make it accessible for recreational divers
adamheath3 hours ago
>The ship is expected to rest in approximately 55m (180ft) of water, with her upper decks reaching depths of around 17–18m (55–60ft), making the wreck suitable for recreational and technical divers alike.
It should be very good for both
Ericson23142 hours ago
Between 55 feet and 55 meters, how poetic.
roarcher22 minutes ago
55 bugers, 55 fries,
55 tacos, 55 pies...
geokon6 hours ago
Was strangely difficult to find on Wikipedia what the "SS" actually means
scrollaway6 hours ago
Here is a great video on the topic.
geokon6 hours ago
the video claims it "Steam Ship" and not "Screw steamer". But later claims TSS is "triple screw steamship". So I'd be hesitant to trust the rest of the video's content.
RobotToaster6 hours ago
The first steam ships were paddle steamers, wiki even says SS can just be a generic term for steam ship.
It's not unusual for acronyms to have multiple meanings, the S in HMS can mean submarine, as submarines aren't ships.
tengwar25 hours ago
There's still one sea-going paddle steamer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Waverley.
silisili6 hours ago
Gilligan's Island lied to us all. The Minnow clearly wasn't a steamer...
WalterBright7 hours ago
It's a sad day. I crossed the Atlantic in it long ago. Some great memories.
bunderbunder7 hours ago
Bittersweet, perhaps? I've never seen the ship in person but I've been following its story. It seems that Okaloosa County snatched it out of the jaws of the scrapyard just in the nick of time.
It won't be floating anymore, but it will at least be somewhat physically intact, at least relative to the state it was already in. It was pretty well stripped bare back in the 80s, and further gutted after that asbestos abatement project a while back. And it will be available for people who can SCUBA dive to visit.
quietsegfault5 hours ago
I’ve seen it at least once a week if not more for 10 or 15 years. It’s really startling that it’s missing from the waterfront. Super big bummer no one could make it work.
waltbosz4 hours ago
You must be in Philly. Every time I visit IKEA, I'd have a meal in the cafe and sit by the window to look at it.
stevesimmons6 hours ago
I sailed in a similar liner, originally the SS America, though renamed the SS Australis by the time my family took it in 1974 for the 5 week journey from UK via Cape Town to Australia.
The SS Australis passed through multiple owners until it ran aground while being towed near the Canary Islands and broke into two.
A sad end to a majestic ship.
One memory of the trip was the week in the Indian Ocean midway between Africa and Australia where the waves were so large the ship's dining rooms made the tablecloths wet to stop the plates sliding off as we tried to eat breakfast...
WalterBright3 hours ago
At one point there was a storm. I was very impressed with the size of the waves and the ship would just muscle through it.
Some years ago I was on a cruise ship. The captain announced that they were changing course to avoid a storm. I was disappointed :-/
buildbot3 hours ago
That’s more for comfort than anything I would think, a modern cruise ship can easily take pretty insane storms? They have active stabilization systems and huge amounts of mass while still powered by relatively strong engines?
Animats3 hours ago
Right. The S.S. United States was built for winter North Atlantic conditions, with a power plant, hull, and watertight compartments more like a warship than a cruise ship. She could be converted to a troop carrier if necessary, something that had been done to big liners during WWII. Cruising speed 30MPH, top speed 44MPH. Great for getting across the Atlantic in 3 1/2 days. Not so great on fuel economy.
Cruise ships today look like hotels mounted on barges [1]. About half the speed. A refurbished SS United States was never going to compete in that market, and plans to do so were never funded.
[1] https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-ships/icon-of-the-seas
rkagerer7 hours ago
Lasted three quarters of a century, not bad!
fsckboy3 hours ago
United States was withdrawn from service in a surprise announcement in 1969. All planned cruises were canceled, and the ship changed owners repeatedly for the next several decades. Every owner attempted to make the ship profitable, but she was aging and poorly maintained. In 1984, her interior furnishings were sold at auction, and the rest of her interiors were stripped to the bulkheads in 1994. In 1996, she was towed to Philadelphia, where she remained until February 2025.
(not sure it should have been much of a surprise, jetliners were taking all the high paying traffic)
fsckboy3 hours ago
The fastest transatlantic crossing by a passenger liner was set by the SS United States in July 1952, averaging 35.51 knots (65.76 kmh) earning her the Blue Riband
kragen7 hours ago
If this is interesting to you, there's still one ocean liner left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary_2
Buy a ticket while you can.
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jauntywundrkind7 hours ago
I had a coworker whose not a fan of flying who has done a couple crossings now, really enjoys it! I think of the Queen Mary 2 a bunch because of them, their tales. A little world of fans who really enjoy doing the crossing.
whyenot6 hours ago
I wonder if Cunard/Carnival will ever build a replacement to her.
kragen6 hours ago
No. Possibly Kishore Patil, who was born yesterday in Mumbai, will build a replacement for her on a whim when he is 70, using self-assembling nanobots, or possibly next century the Creative Cold War Re-Enactment Society will cosplay 20th-century steel-mill workers and welders long enough to build a replacement for her in a period-correct fashion, but nothing really resembling Cunard will exist in a future where building a replacement for her is possible.
samatman4 hours ago
Not to toss cold water in the face of your maudlin science-fictional musings (kidding I’m totally doing that), QM2 is the 51st largest passenger ship afloat.
They call them “cruise ships” now, because the only reason to float around like that is fun, not business. So they have waterslides and such. Slightly less old-growth hardwood paneling, fewer places where one is allowed to smoke cigars.
But no. There are ten Greeks who could build another Queen Mary as a lark, and that’s just counting Greeks. However rich you think the world is? It’s richer than that.
Zeppelins, though. Those, I will grant you, have gotten scarce. Oh, the humanity.
dn350041 minutes ago
Cruise ships and ocean liners are two different kinds of ship. An ocean liner has higher freeboard, higher service speed, longer bow, greater draft, and other features that make it more suitable for crossing oceans.
ornateelephant2 hours ago
Forget the Greeks, have a look at Clive Palmer. Not just dreaming about building a replica Titanic, but also wanted to revive zeppelins commercially.
Animats3 hours ago
> Zeppelins, though. Those, I will grant you, have gotten scarce.
Just saw a Zeppelin cruising over Woodside today. It's Sergey Brin's personal project, Pathfinder. It's a true Zeppelin, a rigid airship, not a blimp, and the world's largest air vehicle. [1] First flew in 2025, but, unlike the Airship Ventures craft we used to see giving tours over Silicon Valley, it's not flown often. It's normally parked in Hangar One at Moffet Field.
[1] https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/big-helium-airship-spott...
kragen2 hours ago
Thank God for billionaires, but why can't he stop Google from creating dystopia instead?
derwiki2 hours ago
Probably much, much easier to make a zeppelin
kragen4 hours ago
Maybe you're right.
rootusrootus6 hours ago
Are there plans to scrap it anytime soon? It's modern, built in the early 2000s, and seems in some ways more like a modern cruise ship than an ocean liner of the last century.
kragen5 hours ago
Not that I know of, but it's the only ocean liner left, so when it does get scrapped (perhaps unexpectedly), there won't be any ocean liners.
jparishy7 hours ago
Only love from all the Philadelphians who have sat eating Swedish meatballs and looking at it in wonder. Will be dearly missed
williadc5 hours ago
This podcast entry has more about the ship's history https://www.omnibusproject.com/episodes/ss-united-states-ent...
CableNinjaan hour ago
Why are we sinking huge amounts of already processed resources... yes theres cost but, thats a lot of steel, copper, brass who knows what else. So crazy and ridiculous to me
weird-eye-issuean hour ago
https://youtu.be/hQVNtXIy3B4?si=SJWzQiYfpVQSPaL4
Extracting it seems to be pretty nasty business
_heimdall4 hours ago
Most of the comments here mention divers, I would have expected thus to be focused on fishing. When I lived on the gulf coasts there were quite a few sunken ships marked as common fishing spots.
cratermoonan hour ago
I wish they could have left her funnels on to sink with the rest of the ship. I suspect if they did the tops would be too shallow and a hazard to navigation. Or maybe they didn’t want them to rust and fall unexpectedly on some divers.
ropable3 hours ago
A bittersweet end. The SS United States was a magnificent-looking ship.
asanineassasin7 hours ago
Would a metall ship, that is artificially erroded a a solar driven scarficial annode, count as geo-engineering, when the resulting algea bloom fell out over a dead spot of the ocean?
Gee1014 hours ago
I'm sure a Youtuber could have saved it :)
mig397 hours ago
Hasn't this been the plan for years now?
Jtsummers7 hours ago
Only since 2024, and the date is now approaching so that gives it renewed interest in the news media.
hackernud3s4 hours ago
Headed for Davey Jones' Locker.
dmead7 hours ago
Ikea in south philly will never be the same :<
ungreased06756 hours ago
Beautiful ship, that’s going to be awesome to dive on.
xrd5 hours ago
Th SS United States going into the Gulf of Mexico.
It would be funny if Mexico started calling it "el arrecife del imperio moribundo"
"The Reef of a Dying Empire"
Metacelsus4 hours ago
>Gulf of Mexico
well, that depends on who's naming it these days...
DivingForGold3 hours ago
.. courtesy of a corrupt narco terrorist state exporting lethal poisons to it's neighbor resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. Let the tanks roll, baby, send in the Boy Scouts to finish the job.
stonogo2 hours ago
Is this post about opiates?
ButlerianJihad3 hours ago
Over the past 9 years, my genealogical research has taken me to some interesting places. Among other discoveries, I found that I have 5 grandfathers. One of my "surprise" grandfathers brought his family over from Scotland on the USS Leviathan. Now, the interesting part about gigantic ocean liners is that they often have Wikipedia pages about them, and this was no exception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Vaterland_(1913)
So it turned out that the Leviathan had belonged to Germany under a different name, until it was seized by the USA during WWI. It was very interesting to discover all these facts about a vessel that is an intrinsic part of my quite recent family history, that was completely unknown to me, being adopted, until the miracle of DNA and digging into available public records began to reveal it all.
thrance6 hours ago
Feels relevant:
> The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed. A Floating Fortress, for example, has locked up in it the labour that would build several hundred cargo-ships. Ultimately it is scrapped as obsolete, never having brought any material benefit to anybody, and with further enormous labours another Floating Fortress is built.
From George Orwell's 1984.
shmerl3 hours ago
Why was it using asbestos?
serf3 hours ago
asbestos on military/science stuff is/was used longer after it left the home.
iJohnDoe7 hours ago
Other than it changing hands a couple of times and it languishing for decades, both of which are pretty normal, the cleanup of the ship sounds largely successful. Almost like an example of how all cleanup projects should go.
samudrijan4 hours ago
Ain’t that symbolic.
bparsons2 hours ago
We are running out of metaphors.
analog83746 hours ago
Well that's symbolic as heck. A component in a piece of ritual magic maybe. Somebody should feature it that way in a comic book.
verytrivial7 hours ago
Honestly read this as satirical after my brain inserted "intelligence" after reef. It certainly feels like that.
hparadiz7 hours ago
I've had a lot of chick-fil-a sitting in my car looking at this thing.
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rspoerri7 hours ago
i read "United States to be sunk as largest artificial reef" and thought, thats no news... /s
opengrass6 hours ago
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phgn6 hours ago
They should sink the US as artificial reef.
protocolture2 hours ago
Might not be great for the fish tbh.
verdverm2 days ago
> The SS United States, once the fastest passenger liner in the world, is scheduled to be sunk in the Gulf of Mexico in November, creating what will be the world’s largest artificial reef.
This sentence may anger someone into causing a controversy... hope this doesn't hit his favorite channels.
input_sh6 hours ago
It's a British magazine, they (like the rest of the world) don't really have a reason to care about his Executive Orders.
mahboi7 hours ago
Without judging, this is the first I've heard of deliberately sinking ships to create artificial reefs.
consumer4517 hours ago
This is somewhat common. Once cleaned up, they provide refuge for sea life, and increased economic activity for nearby communities via fishing and diving.
The program in the Florida Keys is huge.
https://gis.myfwc.com/boating_guides/florida_keys/pages/art_...
smallerfish7 hours ago
Your mind may be blown by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redbird_Reef
mahboi7 hours ago
That is really cool, thanks
thaumasiotes7 hours ago
Yeah, that was pretty interesting.
> From 2001 to 2008, within the vicinity of the reef, the amount of marine food per square foot has increased 400 times.
> The site has become so popular that fishermen steal from each other, and other states apply for the next subway cars to be dumped in their waters.
I guess the biggest problem in the ocean is the inability to stay in place. There was an interesting discussion of something similar on Twitter a couple years ago: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1760058156632142058.html
> Hyenas can strip a dead elephant clean in less than 48 hours.
> But in the ocean, whale carcasses drift around for months before they eventually sink.
> Land animals have gravity privilege. Any random stray dog can tear into a dead cow, even if the cow is a lot larger.
> But when bunch of sharks come up on the floating whale carcass, it's essentially a game of bobbing for pumpkins... it's not really possible to hold on to it or tear it open.
Terr_2 days ago
Regardless of the location, there's editorial cartoon/headline grist in it, e.g.: "As Trump does $VERB this weekend, the United States will sink to its doom."
I would not be surprised if Ron DeSantis (Florida governor, Republican) somehow abuses his position to force a rename of the ship at the last moment, purely to avoid snarky headlines.
pfdietz6 hours ago
It's being sunk 20 miles offshore, which is out of Florida control (that extends only nine miles there; which is kind of odd since for most US states the control only extends three miles).
verdverm2 hours ago
Seems we have angered his supporters given how the voting has changed on this since the day ago we made these comments. Their voting is not going to stop me from saying it like it is about the worst president in US history.
Kind of frustrating that our comment times get changed when a story is given a second chance (not sure why this story should qualify for a second chance on HN...) and misrepresent when we made these comments
ihaveajob6 hours ago
Too on the nose.
mrlonglong7 hours ago
Rename it USS Trump for the lulz.
shagie6 hours ago
The SS United States was a beautiful ship from an era past that was the crown jewel of the USA merchant marine that in part represented the technology contests of civilian ships after WWII.
Trump is not deserving of its name.
From two years ago: What's Going on With Shipping? SS United States - Fastest Cruise Liner and Flagship of US Merchant Marine - To Be Sunk! https://youtu.be/XFIPAJEl1TE