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alankarmisra15 days ago

Ooo I love these things. I wrote a C++ -> Clang -> JS transpiler so I could show value change states on top of the C++ source code in html and allow people to step through the whole state change. They can also vary the input and see the values change cause the JS layer could recompute the values - which is why I bothered with the transpiling - otherwise I could have just output the state changes and parsed them as CSV for the steps. Fun project!

https://youtu.be/ZPGysUX62OY

ranger_danger13 days ago

This is really cool. Is the source available?

jsrcout14 days ago

Definitely trying this out. I've always had the problem of "but what is the compiler thinking?" with C++ in particular.

StilesCrisis15 days ago

I wish the readme example showed a lambda capture. Now that's where compiler magic REALLY shows up.

sltkr14 days ago

C++ lambdas are just structs that overload operator(); once you realize that they become a lot less mysterious. But it's a great example of how this tool is useful to learn about those things (of course you could also read the C++ standard but who has time for that?)

Here's an example: https://cppinsights.io/s/f04b6896

(That also shows how C++'s range-based for-loops work, which is similarly some syntactic suger for a fairly mundane for-loop, but details are interesting: unlike a typical for-loop, the loop variable is declared inside the loop body.)

StilesCrisis14 days ago

I said shows a lambda _capture_. This involves the compiler automatically determining which variables cross the scope boundary, and injecting code for each one.

frabert14 days ago

I'm curious to understand which part you think is particularly interesting. The compiler clearly knows which variables are declared in what scope, so what's mysterious about figuring out which values need to be captured?

Someone14 days ago

> That also shows how C++'s range-based for-loops work, which is similarly some syntactic suger for a fairly mundane for-loop, but details are interesting: unlike a typical for-loop, the loop variable is declared inside the loop body

That’s not true in C++, is it? There, this does not compile

  for(int i = 0; i < 3; ++i)
  {}
  i = i + 1;
(https://cppinsights.io/s/26405687: error: use of undeclared identifier 'i')

https://en.cppreference.com/cpp/language/for:

“A for statement equivalent to:

  {
    init-statement
    while ( condition )
    {
      statement
      expression ;
    }
  }
Except that […]”

and

“While in C names declared in the scope of init-statement and condition can be shadowed in the scope of statement, it is forbidden in C++:

  for (int i = 0;;)
  {
    long i = 1;   // valid C, invalid C++
    // ...
  }
“

rramadassop14 days ago

You can see it by typing in the sample code in the tool here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49928362

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mrlonglong15 days ago

I second this.

rramadassop14 days ago

mrlonglong14 days ago

Lambdas are just classes!? Never knew this.

WalterBright14 days ago

Lambdas in D are just nested functions:

    int foo(int i) {
        int add(int x) { return i + x; } // nested function
        return add(3);
    }

    int bar(int i {
        alias lambda = (x) => x + i;  // lambda
        return lambda(3);
    }
    }

rramadassop16 days ago

The tool can be found at - https://cppinsights.io/

jruohonen14 days ago

The online interface was buried somewhere there, but that is pretty nice for educational purposes:

https://cppinsights.io/

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aktenlage13 days ago

Wow, that's awesome. I've been writing C++ since 20 years, and I still stumble over details where I ask myself what exactly is happening. Looking at the machine code is often quite opaque to me, and so is the reference, because it is overly formal. So this will be a great alternative to get a quick understanding of a concrete snippet. Thank you!

f1shy14 days ago

I must be the only one who (while I like the tool) feel a little strange, somewhere between sad, angry, annoyed and disappointed (can’t really express it), that a language needs (or at least is of good use) such a tool.

Like: I wish what is the first interpretation of my code to be obvious. Is not about advanced optimization, or nitty gritty compiler tricks, is about the language. This tool is useful in any C++ compiler. How did we end with such a complex language?

I mean (sorry, very personal take) the programming language is for me a tool to help me think about a problem and its solution. In this era of LLM more than before, is not a tool to get the machine to do something, is a language for formalizing ideas, problems and solutions, like math. Should not be so obscure, that you need to be a lawyer to understand it, right? Or I am very much old and totally in the weeds with my ideas?

rramadassop14 days ago

You have misunderstood the language and the tool.

Compilers for all languages have the concept of "lowering" the level of source-language abstractions from high-level to low-level viz. Written Source -> Simpler Source -> AST -> IR -> Machine Code. One type is "desugaring" i.e. transforming complex syntax to simpler ones so that the following stages of compilation have to operate only on a smaller and hence more manageable language subset.

This tool shows both desugaring and other lowering (eg. implicit transformations, type deductions etc.) within the C++ source language by regenerating the source from the AST thus giving you full visibility until that stage in the compilation process.

PS: Explanatory video presentation by the author - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6ZvDRYzNE&t=558s

jcelerier14 days ago

Which language do you think doesn't need it? For instance for me I wish I had such a tool whenever I used any interpreted or JIT language, to understand clearly to which semantics whatever is happening maps and how their respective front-end optimizes. Things as simple as "a" + "b" in JavaScript: are you sure you know how every js runtime maps it? Do they fold the strings as an optimization during parsing ? Do they preallocate a larger native string type and push? Do they just do something that ends up an equivalent of std::u16string("a") + std:: u16string("b")?

kccqzy14 days ago

No a language doesn’t need it. It’s an educational tool for those new to the language or new to a particular language feature. With practice language features just become automatic so you don’t think about them when thinking about a problem.

In the README example, the C++ practitioner just doesn’t think about those automatically synthesized copy constructors and such for POD types, nor do they think about the fact that assignment is desugared to operator= or that an assignment can involve a static_cast.

f1shy14 days ago

>> needs (or at least is of good use) such a tool.

Of course there are people who do not need that tool. The thing is, other languages doesn’t need such an explanation tool at all, is very much enough with reading a small book. I personally would like C++ to not really need it, but clearly as I stated: maybe “the only one”

kccqzy14 days ago

> other languages doesn’t need such an explanation tool at all

Plain old C has -E to expand macros. Rust has cargo expand. Haskell has -ddump-simpl. Common Lisp has macroexpand. Any language that has a complicated syntax or allows the user to customize the syntax needs such a tool. Whether such a tool actually exists reflects more on popularity and community desire.

drysine14 days ago

>other languages doesn’t need such an explanation tool at all

Are you sure about that?

esikich14 days ago

In what language is compiling simple? Do you not like compiled languages? I'm not sure what you're complaining about here.

f1shy14 days ago

Lisp is simple to compile. Even C (at the level this tool works anyway), also basic, and maybe other 100 languages (again, not the whole compiler, but what this tool shows).

Compilation per se is not difficult. Doing it with good error recovery, good feedback in case of error, and the optimization is difficult.

This tool does not tell me those parts (for that is gotbolt) this is about how the first layer of interpretation works, and not for making compilers, but for understanding what the code actually means, because is not obvious at first sight.

dasyatidprime14 days ago

I agree with an overall thrust of “C++ is overcomplicated and has many moving parts and a lot of implicit stuff happening in the background that makes it difficult to understand”. But I do want to briefly note that Lisp environments have macro expansion steppers for a reason too.

pjmlp14 days ago

Classical Lisp 1.5 yeah, modern Lisps not so much, hence why there are famous publications like Lisp In Small Pieces.

Only if you mean K&R C or the early C89/90 compilers, before the extension explosion, newer language standards, and modern ISAs.

rs54583714 days ago

I don't think it's only C++ though, Python decorators, Rust macros, almost every language's compiler write code you never see. C++ just does more of it and makes it harder to guess. Being able to look at the expanded version is useful in any language that does this.

kvemkon14 days ago

> See your source code ...

What I'd like to see, is how much time is spent to compile each block of C++ code (sliced as fine as possible).

rurban12 days ago

That would be good to have the same tool in gcc, and compare the outputs then.

They do it with AST trees instead.

edgcpp or cfront are also good tools for this kind of lowering.

veexx10314 days ago

I’ve worked on something similar, but the code reconstructed from the Clang AST fails to compile due to various issues.

Can these issues be resolved?

IshKebab14 days ago

This is what let me understand lambdas. Great tool.

drysine14 days ago

Good for C++'s coroutines too

pjmlp14 days ago

It also helps to know the .NET model, as C++20 co-routines were inspired by how they work and related magic methods on awaitable types.

kizxc439514 days ago

This is so interesting

tweedler29014 days ago

thats crazy. i made this https://github.com/oooscoos/Benzi which does the same thing but is language agnostic (supports 9 other languages). urs probs goes in deeper into c++ than mine tho

abbefaria2714 days ago

This is very different and doesn’t relate to what the linked repo does.

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