senectus12 minutes ago
lol i think the CIA is nowhere near competent enough to even consider that idea.
Barbingan hour ago
And here I was thinking any psyop was necessarily bad.
colechristensen26 minutes ago
The leadership of nations requires you to put pressure on the thoughts and minds of your people, left to their own devices those minds will simply be shaped by someone else.
The morality in it comes from your motivation and methods. Secretly giving piles of money to the weirdos you successfully identify as being the leaders of artistic movements to amplify those movements can't be all that bad.
The question of the day is if you were the CIA trying to do the same thing today, who and what would you fund?
gigatreean hour ago
Are you saying modern art is positive?
math-manan hour ago
Do you not appreciate art?
NordStreamYacht43 minutes ago
evanjrowley10 minutes ago
That's postmodern art, not modern art.
innis22629 minutes ago
Okay, this is a bit too far xD. But I wouldn’t put this in the same bucket as Pollock. I genuinely find his work interesting.
NordStreamYacht13 minutes ago
Modern art is weird.
evanjrowley10 minutes ago
That's postmodern art, not modern art.
greenavocado37 minutes ago
Modern art is either fodder for low IQ troglodytes or encoded occult virtue signalling. It is misanthropic at its core and offensive. You can keep it.
bigstrat200343 minutes ago
I love art. Contemporary art is a bunch of ugly wankery by pretentious people who are bored of actual beauty and can only amuse themselves by creating ugly stuff, then claiming "you just don't get it". The world would be a significantly better place without contemporary art in it.
karmakurtisaani39 minutes ago
This could have been written at any point after the 1850s or so.
nine_k18 minutes ago
Indeed. Once galleries became significant buyers of art, scandalous art became an attractive thing to produce: it commanded outsized attention.
The dynamics are similar in Twitter today, too.
cindyllm41 minutes ago
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NordStreamYacht39 minutes ago
More likely it was a money laundering operation disguised as a psyop.
mauvehaus40 minutes ago
Oh man, I just listened to an episode of Decoder Ring about why making classical realist sculptures in the US is a challenge. It gives some interesting context about the rejection of realism in the post-war West:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-are-monumentally-ba...
claytonjy25 minutes ago
Betteridge’s law prevails. A fun read, but not as fun as the title suggests.
tl;dr Modern art existed before the CIA and even CIA predecessors did not originate it, but they did push it abroad to show that America is great because we put up with modern art made by socialists depite most americans disliking both the art and the artists
lattice_epochs22 minutes ago
Sounds like modern art was the kpop of its era.
analog3117 minutes ago
Oddly enough kpop is the result of American music taking over the world.
ChrisArchitect19 minutes ago
WD-4229 minutes ago
I don’t know if this is a reaction to AI or something, but recently I’ve only been interested in classical/realism art. I just can’t do abstract cubes anymore. The default wallpaper of windows 11 is a perfect example - I hate it. Give me a wallpaper of some painting from the Renaissance.
tacitusarc16 minutes ago
I feel like a picture of rolling hills with spring wheat and a blue sky wouldn’t go amiss
WD-4213 minutes ago
They should bring it back
colechristensenan hour ago
“educate, inspire, and strengthen the hearts and wills of free men.”
Funny how times have changed and more or less everyone on every side is fighting for the strength and survival of their own groupthink and little more.
sublinear39 minutes ago
Eventually, people realize they will never agree and therefore don't have to fight.
They realize the majority of their beliefs already existed before they were born and will continue on after they're dead. They have nothing to add to the conversation while they are too busy fighting. They turn their focus to developing their ideas peacefully and let their subcultures flourish once again.
This isn't the first cycle and won't be the last. The last major cycle was in the 20th century due to broadcast media. I think people sometimes forget how relatively young the internet is.
simpaticoder19 minutes ago
"Live and let live" is in fundamental tension with "protect the weak." ALL aggressive ideologies act as heroes protecting others from oppression. There is a barely expressible thing that allows people to live in peace with those they disagree with. It is a personality trait, an aesthetic, a mood associated with the best of the Enlightenment but never described by it. Perhaps people need relative silence, a few good books, physical labor, hand-made goods, and slow travel to attain it. I often wonder at how boldly people think they can reduce the enormous, holistic experience of being of a particular time and place and call the effect simply "reason".
Eufrat43 minutes ago
Sounds like it was more about spreading American culture as part of the Cold War. This feels a lot more benign compared to Modernist architecture which seems to have fascist tendencies what with Le Corbusier and Philip Johnson being literal Nazi sympathizers.
ButlerianJihad35 minutes ago
Just gonna leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_the_Art...
Juxtaposed with: https://youtu.be/8adu_rSMdXM?si=GZSeKWodp3ivFZyo
Your tax dollars, hard at work!
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mikert8931 minutes ago
Far more things/movements are orchestrated than are organic. This is to me one of the most surprising things I have learned as I got older.