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I'm not one to cry "foreign bots!" but this thread seems astroturfed after realizing this.

Man I forgot about that nonsense. I can’t imagine any self respecting person picking one up.

Their power of scale applies to less and less regions. Xiaomi, in particular, delivers that to China where Apple previously slapped, now is becoming a niche player. It's the same as with German car makers. The trend now reversed with Chinese manufacturers starring to dominate on foreign markets and it's also something that was unfathomable just a few years back.

They have proven countless of times by now that they are not to be ignored.

When I buy my phones I do not give a flying fuck about "scale". All I care is what do I get for my pesos from various offerings.

Can we audit American corporations?

To make conversation productive, please define "national security" in this case.

For example, if China can't install its hardware in Pentagon, why is it a threat to national security.

On the other hand, if you say, Intel will be in trouble because of these chips, then I would say, so what? Wasn't this a dream of MBAs, educated by the top US schools, to outsource everything in business to cheaper service providers (e.g. manufacturing to China, software development to India and etc,.)

Where is the threat and what is the threat?

3. China was not stupid enough to rely solely on the free market to develop strategic industries. A few deliberately old sources:

Back in 2014, the central government set up the China National Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund. - https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/article/2145422/how-ch...

Over the next decade, China plans to invest up to RMB 1 trillion (US$161 billion) into its domestic semiconductor industry as it seeks to become a global power in the sector. In recent years, Beijing has repeatedly stated that developing its own integrated circuit (IC) industry is of integral national strategic concern. - https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chips-all-in-investing-i...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Integrated_Circuit_Indus...

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OH, BUT we have fable! We have AI! of course we can answer these questions? can't we? which is true: America's AI is a super powerful defense against our enemies or America's AI is too stupid to defend against such a threat, and only sactions and import controls will suffice.

Just seems like you're inventing things to be scared of.

And on iOS?

(Also I'd recommend https://libredirect.manerakai.com/)

The C1-ultra has a decode of 10 instructions but can issue up to 23 uop per cycle, that’s a good bit wider than any other CPU. In particular, I believe it’s the first CPU to have a 4th load pipeline.

> Realistically, that sort of thing isn't useful as non-homogeneous architectures really suck for an application or OS to deal with.

I agree that if each core doesn't "support" the full ISA it's a huge pain (the one generation of Intel AVX-512-but-not parts were incredible), but that hasn't been common in years. Usually (and in this case, according to my reading) the small cores get a horrible slow/decoder-emulated implementation of every instruction, so that if you schedule on the "wrong" core you don't trap but just run really slowly instead.

Otherwise, heterogeneous architectures are the present and future of mobile and consumer desktops and have been for years. Desktop OSes are getting better and mobile OSes are just fine at scheduling across different core families (the higher level of abstraction everyone complains about in mobile apps actually helps a lot here).

All 10 cores support the same extensions. It’s silly to implement an SoC any other way, and it’s been a decade since someone has last made that mistake.

If I recall correctly, Strix Halo gets about 450G/s. The M series processors get between 400 and 800G/s, and an actual NVIDIA card is like 5.5T/s. 113G/s is pretty slow for inference.

I hate this RAMpocalypse so much

Ignoring the native vs java runtime interface application difference between Android and iOS, which the top poster was was referencing.

Your Linux phone statement is a fallacy.

Ask FuriLabs how many of their phones they have sold.[0] High confident it is more than 10.

FuriLabs moved their batman, battery monitoring application, from Python to C and it really improved performance. Native applications really do keep resource usage low and is beneficial.

[0] https://furilabs.com/

I think they might be saying that there's still no supported way to build a native-code app on the Android OS. It could be construed as a plea to make that happen in order to unlock greater performance, not necessarily a desire to have a DIY Linux-based OS option.

I believe the comparison is with iOS not Linux. Android is Linux after all. It’s just that most programs don’t get to run a that level of abstraction, and instead run on top of a jvm. At least in iOS the code does seem to be able to be more efficient due to to higher usage of natively compiled code, which is what I think the op was complaining about.

In this case, a Chinese company is using a Taiwanese manufacturer (TSMC), so they're not doing both.

> whereas it appears China can do both

Not these. They seem to be using ARM-designed cores that others already use and TSMC fabs in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that it matters. You can't put a Qualcomm chip in an iPhone and you can't put Apple Silicon in any other device. So there's no really straightforward way to compare them other than specs on paper, which we all know are theoretical until they get integrated.