japhyran hour ago
Growing up in the 80s, I've known (and sung) this song all my life. But I just saw this flowchart for the first time today:
https://jeannr.tumblr.com/post/165291081/i-made-a-flow-chart...
I believe that's the original source, but it looks cut off. Here's a full version:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/82/dc/b182dcc291495c013c98...
petcat11 minutes ago
Steinman was a genius. One of the greatest rock composers of all time and he picked his performers brilliantly.
IAmGraydon38 minutes ago
That's actually a really interesting visualization of a professionally structured verse.
parkersweb2 hours ago
I once worked with a guy mixing TV programmes and live DVDs; I knew he’d been a studio engineer at one point in his career. We were re-arranging our studios one day and as I picked up a pair of NS-10s he casually said “I mixed ‘Total Eclipse of the Heart’ on those…”
IAmGraydonan hour ago
Did he mean on a set of NS10s or on THOSE NS10s?
auslegung2 hours ago
Literal music video of Total Eclipse, one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsgWUq0fdKk
RIP Ms Tyler, you will be missed
chasd00an hour ago
That is so great. My wife and i love to annoy our teenage kids by getting Alexa to play this song and then singing along very dramatically haha.
embedding-shape17 minutes ago
How old are you, for curiosities sake? I'm born early 90s, fondly remembering me and a friend shaming all the rest of our group by singing this song (dramatically as well) as a duet whenever we were in (already loud) public spaces.
petercooperan hour ago
Back in 1999, the UK had its first total solar eclipse for several decades and VH1 played the music video (though, not this one ;-)) on loop for an hour while it was happening.
nostrademons2 hours ago
If you like meta-songs, you may be interested in "Title of this song" by Da Vinci's Notebook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgmUgFEFzco&list=RDHgmUgFEFz...
defrostan hour ago
The back story of the writing of Total Eclipse ain't bad either: https://youtu.be/LGqYnj_Y3CI?t=70
pavlov2 hours ago
There’s also one of A-Ha’s “Take on Me”.
“Haaaand comes out…”
loloquwowndueoan hour ago
Nowhere near as good though.
amiga38638 minutes ago
I think Bad Apple the literal version compares well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReblZ7o7lu4
funnybeam2 hours ago
I like to pretend that was filmed in the Hogwarts sixth form commmon room in the eighties
amiga3862 hours ago
It pretty much was. It was filmed in a Victorian sanitorium, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holloway_Sanatorium (built 1873-1885) which is in keeping with your (and JK Rowling's) vision of public schools, in particular Hogwarts was modelled on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fettes_College (built 1864-1870) in a similar architectural style.
imzadian hour ago
Sony tried so hard to kill this when it was new
Decabytes2 hours ago
I had never seen the music video until the news started playing it. Super funny
wigsteran hour ago
I went to the Reading Rock Festival back in the 80s. she was viewed very much as middle of the road and when she came on, got roundly booed and many bottles of nefarious liquids were tossed at her and the band.
she and they were total pros, shrugged it off, she hurled some abuse back and within a couple of songs had the crowd eating out of the palm of her hand.
RIP Bonnie. A class act.
urbsgpw2 hours ago
My mum had a cassette with some of her songs. We'd have it on for long trips. I loved the long version of Faster than the speed of night. it's basically just "carpe diem" in a different format, but i loved her voice and the slight melancholy and almost call to action that the song brought with it. Also, the video (of the shorter version) is peak 80's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm4CgwRxw3Y
petcatan hour ago
Jim Steinman, Meat Loaf, and now Bonnie Tyler. It truly all has come to an end. I think Celine Dion is the last one still carrying on Steinman's legacy.
gwbas1c24 minutes ago
This broke my heart:
> Despite coming from a big, musical family, Tyler and Sullivan never had children.
> I absolutely adore children.
> I did have a miscarriage when I was 40, I left it too late, you know?
I feel like, if you get into that situation, try to adopt or become a foster parent.
codelikeawolfan hour ago
Ugh, what a bummer. I'll be listening to Holding Out for a Hero on repeat today. Nothing gold can stay.
throw714 minutes ago
This isn't hacker news... but whatever i guess.
madcaptenoran hour ago
"Strong Songs" podcast breaking down Total Eclipse of The Heart: https://strongsongspodcast.com/blogs/episodes/s07e06-total-e...
vardump2 hours ago
Little by little, memories of the 1980s fade.
goda90an hour ago
"Every now and then, I get a little bit nervous That the best of all the years have gone by"
WillAdamsan hour ago
Sadly, Jim Steinman passed away half a decade ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Steinman
I still want to see the dream realized on Broadway of a Native-American inspired musical.
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al_borland2 hours ago
The version from the wedding band in Old School will forever be in my mind.
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SideburnsOfDoom2 hours ago
And let us not forget "Holding Out For a Hero"
myself2482 hours ago
Featured towards the climax of Short Circuit 2, which was huge in my childhood. What a powerhouse piece of music!
nlyan hour ago
I think of that movie every time I hear the song! That was one badass robot sequence.
"Suuuuure. Kidnap the humans, DESTROY THE MACHINE."
toomuchtodo9 minutes ago
misnomean hour ago
Yes, I will never fail to associate this music with Short Circuit 2, it is also burned into my childhood memory.
biofoxan hour ago
"Number 5 is alive!"
slowinan hour ago
Absolute classic. If anyone is interested, the Footloose soundtrack (which has Holding Out For a Hero on it) is probably one of the greatest soundtracks of all time. The movie sucks but damn, this soundtrack is incredible.
JodieBenitez30 minutes ago
Jellybean long version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Wq3U86SyQ
limbicsystem2 hours ago
Is it wrong that I prefer the Shrek version?
amiga386an hour ago
It's not. I prefer the bardcore version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx-x_1lIXh4
Rayheman hour ago
Fun fact: the original was only produced in English but the Shrek remix (which is a *BOP*) got translated into every language the movie did.
nisiddharth2 hours ago
Where have all the good men gone and where are all the gods?
AndrewOMartin2 hours ago
Is it too much to ask for a Streetwise Hercules?
senkoan hour ago
'fraid so, the odds have risen too high.
We might need a white night on a fiery steed. One can dream.
toomuchtodo29 minutes ago
deadbabean hour ago
Too soon, she could have had a lot more life left to live these days, but a bad surgery ended it. Sucks. Try to avoid needing surgery as much as you can.
PurpleRamen2 hours ago
RIP legend.
I'm curious now when this was announced. Yesterday, out of nowhere, TikTok showed me a video about someone praising "Total Eclipse of the Heart", despite not having this bubble in my profile. Kinda spooky to see the news now.
derwiki37 minutes ago
Probably one of those coincidences, like you talked about bouncy houses and now you’re seeing ads for bouncy houses
alex11382 hours ago
Wow. Holy crap.
Edit: guys, I get that it's not a "substantive comment" but there's no excuse for 3 downvotes. Get a life
JodieBenitez28 minutes ago
There, got my upvote.
cramer4next2 hours ago
How is this hacker news worthy? Never heard of her or the song. Is from a time when people carried boomboxes on their shoulders?
nostrademons2 hours ago
Before that. Her breakthrough album was 1977 and Total Eclipse of the Heart came out in 1982, so it was more the 8-track era. It remained a staple of radio plays (remember those?) through the 80s and 90s though, and was remade by Nikki French into a chart-topping dance version in 1995.
A lot of HN is folks in their late 30s, 40s, and early 50s (and sometimes even older!), so many folks here would've overlapped with the radio era. A lot of folks here were involved in making YouTube/Instagram/TikTok, not listening to it.
masfuerte2 hours ago
I'm old enough to remember Walkmans coming out in 1979, which was the start of the end of the boombox era. Approximately no-one was using 8-track at that point.
runako2 hours ago
I'm not quite that old, but didn't people look down on cassettes due to their lower audio quality? Weren't most home systems (hi-fis) still vinyl or 8-track for a while longer?
MontgomeryPyan hour ago
A big driver of cassettes then was the write ability, unlike 8 tracks. You could borrow your friend's new vinyl album, pop in a new cassette tape on your hi-fi, and record a copy of the album to the tape. Of course the Walkman then made listening to your new album fully portable.
heresie-dabord19 minutes ago
Next total eclipse, 2026-08-12.
Total: Greenland, Iceland, Spain, Northeastern Portugal
Partial: Northern North America, Europe, West Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_...
splatzone19 minutes ago
Nah, occassional non tech stuff is very welcome. It’s interesting to see HN’s perspective on other things
PurpleRamenan hour ago
Death notices of famous artists are regularly on HN. If people upvote it, it should be worthy.
krappan hour ago
That's not how it works. If upvotes alone mattered, HN would quickly degenerate into Reddit. The bar is whether "good hackers" would find this interesting.
Death notices of famous artists are the definition of off-topic: "most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." If normies care about it, good hackers by definition probably don't.
I flag this and every such thread I come across. If Hacker News is going to be consistent in its espoused principles, this is non-technical content and thus not welcome. If that standard applies to far more substantive stories regardless of the quality of conversation they produce, it must apply here as well.
PurpleRamenan hour ago
> If upvotes alone mattered
I did not say upvotes alone matter, but they should be the final say after all other mechanisms.
> The bar is whether "good hackers" would find this interesting.
If this were true, the majority of frontpage-entries would have to be removed.
> "most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities,[..]If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."
I guess the notable point here is "most" and "probably". The exception seems to be always news which are so important or dramatic that they are still not removed, and leaving the final decision to the upvotes. Which is why there are also regularly political and sometime seven sports entries (once or twice a year).
Despite being called hacker news, reality is not binary and rules should not be handled like that.
krapp25 minutes ago
>but they should be the final say after all other mechanisms
They shouldn't be, and they aren't. The mods make the final decision and they will work against the consensus when they disagree with it. This is a very aggressively curated community.
>If this were true, the majority of frontpage-entries would have to be removed.
Maybe the majority of frontpage entries should be removed. Maybe the "HN is turning into Reddit" people are finally correct. But that is literally what the guidelines say. On topic - "Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." Off topic - everything else, with the minor exception of "some new and interesting phenomenon" to gratify that intellectual curiosity.
I'm sorry but there is nothing new or interesting about the death of celebrities, and nothing about it to gratify intellectual curiosity. Their lives, maybe, but if someone wasn't worth discussing on Hacker News in life, they shouldn't be worth discussing post mortem.
>The exception seems to be always news which are so important or dramatic that they are still not removed, and leaving the final decision to the upvotes.
The final decision, in that case, is entirely up to the moderators. Threads with plenty of upvotes get flagged and stay flagged all the time.
>Despite being called hacker news, reality is not binary and rules should not be handled like that.
Maybe. But if there are grey areas, this doesn't seem like one of them. I don't see why far more substantive stories so often get flagged for "politics" or being "non-technical" even when they involve a pile of dead bodies, or why we police humor and emotion like signs of cancer, but we get to wallow in the nostalgia of every dead celebrity that comes along.
xnorswapan hour ago
I do think HN should have an obit: category and filter them out the main page.
It's one thing to have obits for people who wouldn't be covered by regular news, but "75 year old celebrity dies" is not any kind of new phenomenon.
It generates a decent amount of upvotes and discussion based on name recognition and nostalgia, but every thread is essentially the same, "Oh, that's sad, I liked their work, <personal anecdote of how they were touched by it>.".
budsniffer95228 minutes ago
Nobody forced you to click on the article or jump into the comment section, did they?
toomuchtodo16 minutes ago
Meta: More often than I should have, I have emailed HN and asked "Why can you not extend/build/etc" this? And, as expected, we'd get into a great email discussion about why that would provide a meaningful improvement over the existing experience. This is a forum of builders, makers, and hackers, to their unspoken point. The primitives provided are "good enough," Hacker News is feature complete. To build this on top of HN in a browser extension or mobile app is trivial, and so, I'd say "If you want this, build it and share with us."
Ask HN: Any good replacements for "Refined Hacker News?" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48845676 is an opportunity, for example. Show HN awaits for whatever you build.
toomuchtodo28 minutes ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48614633
> Anything that gratifies intellectual curiosity is on topic for HN! - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html That doesn't mean it has to gratify your curiosity or mine - no single article can do that for everyone. But it's clear that that's what makes the article on topic.
> One other aspect: the best HN submissions are the ones that are most uncorrelated with anything else that's gotten attention recently - or, as I used to put it, can't be predicted from any existing sequence
There is a "hide" link for threads not of interest, I strongly encourage it's use to optimize your forum participation experience; if this forum is not to your liking, there are others potentially more suited to what you desire.
> I flag this and every such thread I come across. If Hacker News is going to be consistent in its espoused principles, this is non-technical content and thus not welcome. If that standard applies to far more substantive stories regardless of the quality of conversation they produce, it must apply here as well.
Mods can turn off flag capabilities per account, keep this in mind. You won't know if your flags are effective or not.
budsniffer95229 minutes ago
>The bar is whether "good hackers" would find this interesting.
Who put you in charge of what other people find interesting?
Get over yourself, loser.
krapp24 minutes ago
You seem to be new here, welcome to Hacker News.
Everyone is in charge of what you should find interesting and everyone will make it your problem.
swader9992 hours ago
Every now and then an article like this is fine.
sverhagen2 hours ago
Maybe it's not.
Guidelines:
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, (...) If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
tekla2 hours ago
Very famous singer, multiple very famous songs, 40 yo song topped the carts during the 2024 Eclipse, was pretty much the theme song for a very small indie movie called Shrek 2.
asimovDevan hour ago
I think Shrek would be pro open source software and hardware if he knew what it was, so this makes it HN worthy
awnirdan hour ago
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