upmostly5 hours ago
I suggest you change the demo.
1. Boys see girl 2. Boys fight over girl
Creator could have chosen literally anything else to represent their product but instead went with an animation of boy emojis fighting over a girl emoji.
Garlef4 hours ago
yeah... AI doesnt seem to make us more creative
jappgar2 hours ago
Ironically I don't think AI is this tone deaf.
philipallstar4 hours ago
You could've commented literally anything else instead of this but instead went with a zero-content apparent criticism of the web page.
praash4 hours ago
> zero-content
Changing the default demo is a reasonable and actionable suggestion.
philipallstar3 hours ago
But not why.
kreetx3 hours ago
The topic of the demo is just ..odd: it's negative in its nature, difficult to understand (is there a message or a joke in there?), the animation isn't aesthetically pleasing either.
quietbritishjim2 hours ago
You just need to be older than 12 to understand what is problematic about the demo. Just pointing it out was sufficient.
9dev4 hours ago
Reproducing cringy sexist bullshit is a choice deserving of criticism.
philipallstar3 hours ago
No-one's mentioned that anything's sexist, or how. You're filling in the blanks to create content where there wasn't any.
fluidcruft4 minutes ago
The behavior depicted is literally sexual competition.
nilirl3 hours ago
That's how conversation works. Things can be implied when it's obvious.
And if it's not, the onus is on you to ask why.
philipallstar25 minutes ago
> That's how conversation works. Things can be implied when it's obvious.
That's how groupthink works.
> And if it's not, the onus is on you to ask why.
I have asked why. Note the lack of answers, but the surfeit of pearl-clutching replies.
nilirl12 minutes ago
Where's your argument, Braveheart? Why play coy? If people don't like this choice, where's your defense for it?
The demo is not egregious by itself, it's the choice of the demo for this circumstance. Why boy-hits-boy-with-rock-for-girl for an animation DSL?
oulipo23 hours ago
The fact that EVERYBODY here sees it but you, tells you that perhaps you should take a step back and try to understand... it might be YOU who don't get it at all...
libriaan hour ago
Folks, we're now 5 levels deep on this thread and I still haven't heard it spelled out what's wrong.
I see "it's obvious" "cringey" and allcaps being used. Being able to vocalize specific problems and having the courage to clearly state it is a life skill.
Please be specific about the problem and why. Bonus points for replacement suggestions.
The boys-fight-for-girl is a very typical movie trope and this is a scene-based product. Maybe that's why they defaulted to it.
9dev2 minutes ago
Well, here goes. The "story" told shows a woman as something men possess ("Backoff! She's mine!".) She even asks "do I get a say?" (hah, as if!) and is ignored, of course. If two men want to possess the same woman, they get into a physical fight, where the winner gets to own the woman. Oh, plot twist! She "decides" for the nice guy (lucky her, getting a man!)
Do you seriously think this is a story still worth telling? Is that how you view women? Is that how you view men?
But since you asked specifically about someone spelling it out letter by letter for you:
Women are not a prized possession, but individual humans, like men. You do not "take" them, you don't "fight over" them, you don't "own" or "win" or "loose" or "deserve" them - because they are not objects, but humans. They can also decide to pick neither of the two men if they so desire, and pursue a career in neuroscience.
Men who disagree over something do not, in fact, need to hit each other immediately, or throw rocks to their heads. They have the ability to talk and listen to reason. Because they aren't chimpanzees, but sapiens, a species with extraordinary capable brains.
Regurgitating this very trope, which works just as well with aforementioned chimpanzees instead of humans, proliferates the stereotypical depictions of women and men. Science is very clear about the fact that repeated exposure to an idea increases acceptance of this idea, so telling the tale of boys-fight-for-girl time and time again ensures its firmly planted in people's heads, influencing their view on other people negatively.
Women are exposed to severe violence all around the world, every day. If you don't believe this, I don't feel obligated to convince you with any of the thousands of scientific material on the topic. Alternatively, for a fun little experiment, consider asking five female and five male relatives or friends each about the three worst things they can imagine happening to them on the way home at night. No spoilers, but the answers are going to be very different.
nilirl26 minutes ago
I think you're discounting people's reaction of not liking it. That is communicative. Not everything has a well established model to communicate efficiently using words.
And being a trope is not enough of a defense; tropes can drift away from culture over time.
The demo is not egregious by itself, it's the choice of the demo for this circumstance. Why boy-hits-boy-with-rock-for-girl for an animation DSL?
If the choice is meaningless, why defend it?
And if the choice is meaningful, why this?
csneeky2 hours ago
I think the poster gets it. As do I. And I do not believe either of us care all that much about the vocal minority.
mapcarsan hour ago
Its the plague of western people thinking they have the moral high ground over other cultures and nations. In the place where I grew up this kind of scene would be considered normal. But you must be the one who dictates what is right and what is wrong, don't you?
hnlmorgan hour ago
Please do tell me which culture finds it acceptable to throw rocks at people because they happen to like the same woman.
Even ignoring the unnecessary language, sexist content, gender stereotyping, and so on and so forth, just the warrantless violent act in that story is enough for people to object to. And enough people have objected that there isn’t any good reason for the author to keep that animation included. Particularly when it doesn’t actually demonstrate this library in a way that literally any of demo couldn’t. So why even defend it?
blanchedan hour ago
Why are you passionately defending this? I doubt the author cares much, it's clearly an example that came about through vibe coding.
It's not core to the tech/product, people think it's off-putting, why not change it?
Hacker News loves to talk about being amazing business-people and "understanding the customer" but somehow that gets dropped for things like this.
oulipo23 hours ago
The fact that people in the tech-world don't realize that they are embodying deeply ingrained sexist / toxic behavior is the reason why women aren't more present, and why people like Musk or other sociopaths have been celebrated by this community, while the rest of the world hate them...
doginasuit3 hours ago
This is an interesting concept, but I would rework the demos to show content that people might actually want to use. Transitions of text content describing a product or service, like bullet points that animate in sequentially comes to mind. Applying motion to text content is not something that is easy to get right, but simple and brief motions can be very effective. I would use something like content you might see in a well-made powerpoint presentation as a starting point.
libriaan hour ago
Agree that it might sell better if we see the typical examples we'd normally see in say a vector driven 2D animation from various industries.
1. ProductSpec sent to Factory with multiple Products being created, packed, shipped, distribution centers, last-mile, receiving
2. Client -> API -> Edge -> Business layer -> DataSource dataflow.
3. Compliance training scenario videos. Security training. "Joe needs to share internal code. He uploads it to pastebin and emails the link to the team. What should Joe do instead?"
4. Education, can this work for illustrative problem solving? Deriving quadratic formula by completing squares?
This could also use a FF or Rewind timeline or some kind of time control like "Play from Line 24".
oulipo23 hours ago
Yes, even reworking a classic "infra diagram" with connection between a web browser and a server, but showing it as an animation could be interesting, but those little stories add very little
nilirl7 hours ago
Oh, I like the features a lot but I don't like the aesthetics.
Maybe that's just the examples but the animations are not appealing to look at.
hnlmorg6 hours ago
The animations are just weird. Not just on an aesthetic level but the subject matter too. If they really feel the need to convey a short story then at least base it on a public domain fairytale instead of two guys literally fighting over a women.
…or better yet, have something that people might actually want to animate using this tool. Like a chart. It might be boring but you’re at least keeping consistent with what the target audience needs (or at least that’s my understanding of your target audience from the rest of the landing page)
wahnfrieden4 hours ago
Hyperframes is a more mature tool in more than one way
klntsky6 hours ago
> are not appealing to look at.
They word you are looking for is 'vibecoded'
swiftcoder4 hours ago
This is just the weirdest subject choice for a demo
unfamiliar2 hours ago
Absolutely deranged
felooboolooombaan hour ago
Cool project. Cringemaxxing demo, just like this comment.
GL265 hours ago
This would be much more useful if it wasn't stickmen but animating components (which would allow to do "launch video" tier animations) on boxes, and websites. This would allow for people to create tiny components and not put videos. I feel like stickmen are a "nice to have".
utopiah5 hours ago
Interesting, I do a bit of animation in XR for pedagogy. I can easily recognize patterns, e.g. stacking animations one after the other, classic parameters like duration, easing.
I'm wondering though if, compared to what I already know (e.g. https://aframe.io/docs/1.7.0/components/animation.html ) how this is better. Maybe a "renderer" there could be outputting AFrame animations instead (itself based on AnimeJS, quite popular).
It could be useful to discuss scenarii but storyboard is usually sufficient.
I'd be curious how newcomers take it up. I think for (JavaScript) the syntax is pretty straightforward but for others I'm not sure.
xtiansimonan hour ago
I recall MM Flash quite fondly. But what is the best-use case here? Where would this deploy?
allanmacgregor2 hours ago
How is this in the frontpage and with 77 points?!
Jackobrien6 hours ago
This is really cool. Can imagine vibe creating scenes quickly. If the animation was a bit smoother, I could see this being used all over.
webprofusion4 hours ago
How does this get on the front page of hacker news?
hahn-kev3 hours ago
Hey at least it's not AI
allanmacgregor2 hours ago
Are going to pretend this wasn't vibecoded?
WolfOliveran hour ago
it took me a while to understand what is ment with "Motion"
WolfOliveran hour ago
maybe "animations" would be a better term
Urahandystar5 hours ago
This is both awful and essentially the future, By that I mean its raw now as its in the beginning but this gave me flashbacks to the flash era of the web that had so much creativity across it.
Once you are able to add more assets in the place of emoji's this could really take off especially in the younger users. Instead of sending an emoji you'd instruct an LLM to create you one of these to send.
Well done.
itomato3 hours ago
Macromedia Flash vibes.
Don’t stop.
jappgaran hour ago
Hey don't bring Flash into this
Igor_Wiwi5 hours ago
Mermaid diagrams are awesome, the usual pain points which I am trying to solve in https://mdview.io is to allow to fix broken diagrams visually: you hit Quick Fix and then given 3 fix propositions to choose from. Sounds complicated but it works in 80% of times
maxloh4 hours ago
There have been too many ads for this site posted this month. 8 of your 10 recent comments are just site promotions, which is getting annoying.
By the way, I don't really see the value here. Most of this could be vibe-coded and reimplemented in a day or two. It’s just an integration of existing NPM libraries.
Igor_Wiwi4 hours ago
My goal is to build the only app you need for reading technical documentation. I am working on it daily for the past 5 months, and almost every day I have a new feature which I want to share with HN people and try it out
itomato3 hours ago
Spam is not the way to win hearts and minds
tomsonj2 hours ago
reminds me of Story Machine on the C64
IceDane3 hours ago
The examples for the M5 exploit and the other stuff immediately make me think that the author is an idiot. I'm not calling you an idiot - I'm saying that if I were to read a technical article and the first thing I'm presented with is an absurdly stupid emoji-person animation that makes no sense and has no purpose and adds literally nothing, I would just immediately exit that website. This goes for all of the examples, and the fact that it's all so clearly written by LLMs isn't helping either.
khazhoux4 hours ago
> No keyframes, no drag-and-drop.
No human developer… :-\
kevinten104 hours ago
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