sinsudo3 hours ago
I know that the purpose of the page is to compare syntax of common lisp, racket, clojure, and emacs lisp. But some examples could be more idiomatic, for instance instead of
(defun add (a &rest b)
(if (null b)
a
(+ a (eval (cons '+ b)))))
One should avoid eval and use endp instead of null: (defun add (a &rest b)
(if (endp b) a
(apply #'add (+ a (first b)) (rest b))))ludstonan hour ago
Worse: Using recursion in Common Lisp isn't idiomatic, given that CL doesn't guarantee tail-call optimisation in the specification.
CodeArtisanan hour ago
Shouldn't it be (+ a (apply + b))
db48x12 minutes ago
Almost. It should be (+ a (apply #'+ b)). Common Lisp is a Lisp-2, so a + in the argument position is assumed to be a variable named +, not the function named +, unless you specify otherwise.
kickingvegasan hour ago
Perhaps related, I'm maintaining a "cheatsheet" to let Python programmers see what an Elisp equivalent to typical Python functions/methods are.
emil-lpan hour ago
Are `(push s x)` and `(push x s)` correct for push and insert, resp.?
vindarel2 hours ago
Notes on CL:
- why nothing on the "compiler" line? Everytime you load a snippet or a file with SBCL, it compiles it (to machine code). There's also compile-file.
- interpreter: likewise, all code is compiled by default with SBCL, not interpreted, even in the REPL. To use the interpreter, we must do this: https://github.com/lisp-tips/lisp-tips/issues/52
- command line program: the racket cell shows the use of -e (eval), the same can be done with any CL implementation.
- since the string split line introduces cl-ppcre, one could mention cl-str :D (plug) (much terser join, trim, concat etc)
- ah ok, for dates and times, flattening a list, hash-table literals… we need more libraries.
- more files operations: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/files.html
- emacs buffers: now compare with Lem buffers 8-)
- posix-getenv: I'd rather use uiop:getenv (comes in implementations).
- uiop:*command-line-arguments*
- exit: uiop:quit
- uiop:run-program (sync) / launch-program (async)
- java interop: with LispWorks or ABCL (or other libraries)
my 2c
sinsudo2 hours ago
Since you are also commenting libraries, I think that FSet (1) for inmutable memory,and perhaps a comparison with clojure, and the quick-lisp package manager could be mentioned.
sinsudo3 hours ago
The page indicates that there is not function for documentation in common lisp, but
(documentation 'documentation 'function)
"Return the documentation string of Doc-Type for X, or NIL if none
exists.
System doc-types are VARIABLE, FUNCTION, STRUCTURE, TYPE, SETF, and T.
Also http://rosettacode.org for computer tasks implemented in many computer languages to allow you compare syntax and code.ethagnawl3 hours ago
This is really neat.
Something I've been meaning to do is try putting together a cross-lisp package manager -- if only because it'd be fun. Maybe it would favor code that could be readily run or eval'd or maybe with some sort of clj/cljs type dynamic dispatch for anything implementation specific.
ecto4 hours ago
Great chrestomathy! I opened a PR for my lisp, Loon: https://github.com/clarkgrubb/hyperpolyglot/pull/139
wk_end5 minutes ago
With all due respect, if this page adds a column for everyone's toy Lisp, it'll be as wide as the Pacific.
arikrahman3 hours ago
Would be interesting to see how Jank is coming along in this space as well.
veqqop5 minutes ago
Jank's just supposed to be Clojure with full compatibility, when mature.
eamonnsullivan4 hours ago
Clojure 1.6, Emacs 24.5... These are pretty old versions, at least of those.
rahen17 minutes ago
Emacs Lisp is a descendant of PDP-10 MAClisp, which makes it one of the oldest Lisp dialects still actively maintained. Whether it's version 24.5 or 30.2 doesn't make much of a difference semantically.
db48x4 hours ago
Most of the things in that table won’t change from version to version anyway.
FergusArgyll2 hours ago
As someone who's not a programmer but has beginner - medium python & C skills. I'm in middle of learning lisp (elisp to be precise) and it feels like reading poetry. It's a transcendent experience that's hard to explain. Such beautiful concepts. Everything flows in a way it doesn't in C based langs
anthk3 hours ago
Emacs has cl-lib
FrustratedMonky2 hours ago
Nice comparison.
But makes me think we'd be better off if we all just focused on a single one, and grew it, made it better. Not having 4 versions of something almost identical. Fragmentation can hurt adoption.
ludstonan hour ago
They are as different from one another as Java is from C# is from JavaScript.
db48x2 hours ago
That’s what Common Lisp is.
MathMonkeyMan30 minutes ago
You got downvoted, but you're correct. Obligatory XKCD: <https://xkcd.com/927/>
Personally I prefer lisp 1 languages, like scheme. Even there, though, there was a split over r6rs, so we got a bunch of mostly-like-r5rs schemes and racket.
Maybe the problem is that lisps are no longer popular enough to have a winning implementation! If there is one, though, then it's Common Lisp on SBCL.
erichoceanan hour ago
There are deep reasons for the variations, especially around (reader) macros.