artdigital2 hours ago
Grok is my favorite model for chatting, and my favorite voice mode. It seems to be the only voice mode that isn't routing to a extremely cheap model (like Haiku), and has been the highest quality out of all the frontier ones. When you subscribe to SuperGrok you can also create a "council" of agents, each with their own system prompt and when you ask something, they will all get asked in parallel to come to a conclusion. Good stuff!
Just wish they would finally put some work into their apps, it's the only thing keeping me from actually subscribing to SuperGrok:
- No MCP / connected apps support. It's been teased but here we are, still not available. I can't connect Grok to anything, so I can't use it for serious work
- Projects are still not available in the app so as soon as you move something into a project, it's gone from all the native apps
- No way to add artifacts (like generated markdown docs) directly to a project, we have to export to PDF/markdown and re-import. And there isn't even a way to export artifacts. This makes serious project work hard because we can't dynamically evolve projects with new information
- No memory, no ability to look up other chats, each chat is completely new
- No voice mode in projects at all
If someone from xAI is reading this, please consider adding some of these.
artdigitalan hour ago
I also think Grok would benefit from allowing usage of "SuperGrok Heavy" (their $300 plan) in coding harnesses with included usage. Currently they give you some API credits on the Heavy plan so you can use some Grok for coding, but $300 USD value is just not there.
Not saying they should create their own grok-code harness, just allowing usage in existing ones would already be beneficial. But that's probably what the Cursor acquisition is going to do eventually
afpxan hour ago
When I signed up, I accidently paid for a full year. So from time to time, I'll throw it something just to see what it produces compared to the other LLMs. And, even after all this time, it still feels like a really "dumb" model compared to the other frontier ones. But, worse, many of my system prompts make it go wacky and puke jibberish. However it was pretty cool for those couple months awhile back when it was uncensored. You could ask it about a wild conspiracy, and it would actually build the case and link you to legitimite source material. They dropped the hammer down on that real quick.
2ndorderthought28 minutes ago
Ah yes the psychosis reinforcement vertical. It's such a lucrative market for those schizophrenics and bipolars. Great way to get lots of engagement. Groks portfolio is so diverse
readthenotes121 minutes ago
I have a schizophrenic relative who is in such a relationship with grok. Instead of telling hen you need to take your meds, it says hen is the smartest person in the world
2ndorderthought19 minutes ago
I'm so sorry your family is suffering from this. I hope you can find a way to bring them back. Disorders featuring psychosis are so painful for everyone around them. Blessings to you and your family
walletdraineran hour ago
> No MCP / connected apps support. It's been teased but here we are, still not available. I can't connect Grok to anything, so I can't use it for serious work
Grok has tool use, no? Why would you also need MCP? What does MCP add?
artdigital41 minutes ago
I'm talking about the consumer Grok app and grok.com website. There currently are not connected apps (or MCP) at all, so while Grok can use tools, there is no way to add tools to it
sundarurfriendan hour ago
As an English-as-second-language speaker and writer, one thing Grok really shines at is capturing the tone and level of "formality" of a piece of text and the replicating it correctly. It seems to understand the little human subtleties of language in a way the other major providers don't. Chatgpt goes overly stiff and formal sounding, or ends up in a weird "aye guvnor" type informal language (Claude is sometimes better but not always).
Grok seems in general better at being "human" in ways that are hard to define: for eg. if I ask it "does this message roughly convey things correctly, to the level it can given this length", it will likely answer like a human would (either a yes or a change suggestion that sticks to the tone and length), while Chatgpt would write a dissertation on the message that still doesn't clear anything up.
Recently I've noticed that Grok seems to have gotten really good at dictation too (that feature where you click the mic to ask it something). Chatgpt has like 90-95% accuracy with my accent, the speech input on Android's Gboard something like 75%, Grok surprisingly gets something like 98% of my words correct.
djydean hour ago
I've also noticed that when I communicate with Grok in my native language, its tone is more natural than other models. I think this is due to the advantage of being trained on a large amount of Twitter data. However, as Twitter contains more and more AI-generated content now, I'm afraid continued training will make it less natural.
pacific0141 minutes ago
Did you try meta? I was into grok but now meta works well for me
thunderbongan hour ago
I'm sure Twitter knows which are the bot accounts and is surely excluding them from their model training. Twitter bots aren't a new phenomenon after all.
pixel_popping32 minutes ago
There is bots everywhere, it has nothing to do with the platform, it has to do with attackers having an incentive to do mass account farming, no platform is secure against it.
simianwordsop8 minutes ago
not really. there are easy heuristics to filter out bots with good confidence. FWIW i don't see any bots posting anything in my feed
tornikeoan hour ago
So, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me.
sudban hour ago
So interestingly, I know of at least one application in a charity that deals with trafficking where grok was happy to do one-shot classification tasks where all other models refused to cooperate.
I think there's a surprising number of actually useful applications in this sort of grey area for a slightly-less guardrailed, near-frontier model (also the grok-fast models are cheap!).
2ndorderthought39 minutes ago
There are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc...
spiderfarmer28 minutes ago
For the naysayers: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk...
user3428310 minutes ago
We have been over the politically motivated slander many times; it's boring.
The user above you could have explained what uncensored models he believes are more capable than Grok. Maybe the Chinese open-weights models are superior to Grok at the moment.
2ndorderthought3 minutes ago
It's not slander. Everything I said is true. You can go to the whitehouses website and read the pdfs containing his emails where he is messaging Jeffrey Epstein a convicted child sex trafficker to visit multiple times. There also pictures of him with Jeffrey and ghislaine maxwell(another convicted child sex trafficker) Therefore, he used to hang out with sex traffickers.
Also, I don't know tons about uncensored models because I don't use them. But I do see posts on r/localllama about "abliterated models". Those are models which have been fine tuned to remove safety filters almost entirely while maintaining predictive efficacy.
Has nothing to do with China. People can do this to any open text model as far as I know.
coreyh1444429 minutes ago
If you need to ask about what people on Twitter are talking about, Grok is really good for that obviously. I use it all the time for "what are the cool kids on twitter saying is the best tiling window manager these days" or whatever. Also, if you have a question that's borderline shady, Grok will often deliver. "Can you find a grey market Windows license site for me" etc.
ndran hour ago
You should try all of them, then update your opinion about your information sources accordingly.
nsowzan hour ago
Grok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes, I know you didn't try this and you won’t.
aqme28an hour ago
There is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist”
2ndorderthoughtan hour ago
Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up!
addedGone21 minutes ago
Mistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here.
2ndorderthought17 minutes ago
Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation.
addedGone5 minutes ago
If I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links.
simianwordsop44 minutes ago
Can you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked
nsowzan hour ago
I didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”.
aqme2821 minutes ago
I don't see how that changes my point at all.
edit: to clarify for you, here's an example.
Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.
SanjayMehtaan hour ago
100% agree. Grok may or may not be biased one way or the other as far as the US is concerned but from the rest of the world perspective it's mostly the same as any other model trained on Wikipedia.
khalican hour ago
Lol. I think they unleashed it on this post, look at the number of only vaguely related, lukewarm opinions trying to push the racism and CSAM stuff to the bottom
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vrganjan hour ago
Grok for furthering the far-right filter bubble Elon has been hard at work building.
khalican hour ago
And of course child porn
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2ndorderthought37 minutes ago
That's what it was doing. Like literally. Chatgpt it or Google it. Supporting grok is paying money to a csam generator.
Edit I cannot reply to the post below me. I have gone entirely over to local models so I am paying zero dollars to any of the us defense contractors that are also tech companies. It's awesome.
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khalic40 minutes ago
Grok was used to create CSAM
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spiderfarmer27 minutes ago
Musk partied with Epstein.
pixel_popping24 minutes ago
What's the correlation with Grok, the AI model?
spiderfarmer28 minutes ago
pixel_popping27 minutes ago
What's the correlation with Musk and Grok (an AI model, kinda crazy how far fetch this is) producing "CP data" (which any model can do)?
simianwordsop43 minutes ago
How does Grok further far-right filter? This is blatantly untrue. Try prompting it and getting it to say something far right.
Grok if anything reduces populism because fake claims can be debunked
vrganj41 minutes ago
How could MechaHitler possibly be far right...
2ndorderthought36 minutes ago
When you really think about it palantir told me Hitler was good and therefore mechahitler aka grok should be a okay!
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vrganj38 minutes ago
Sure. And so was the Holocaust denial and the misinformation about the French 2015 attacks and so on and so on.
Its just roleplaying being a far right propaganda tool.
simianwordsop35 minutes ago
Source?
vrganj29 minutes ago
simianwordsop27 minutes ago
As admitted they have fixed it. It’s obvious that a tool used so vastly might have problems like this. Surely if you think it is used to produce far right propaganda now you can reproduce? Or you choose to hinge on one off issues they fixed?
maz1b2 hours ago
I still wish they named it something else, but congratulations to the team on what seems to be a good release!
Pricing is also quite surprising, compared to comparable competitors. I guess they have tons of capacity or really want to bring over more people.
readthenotes120 minutes ago
You don't like science fiction references in general or Heinlein in particular?
draxil9 minutes ago
I don't like that word, which was previously a common part of my vocabulary, being forever ruined?
kilroy1238 minutes ago
People are going to hate on Grok because of Musk. However, I do hope they're successful in making a powerful model. We desperately need more competition. I want cheap subsidized AI plans.
I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.
mythz2 hours ago
Ok speed (202.7 tok/s) and value (1.25 -> 2.50) look great, with pretty decent intelligence.
pzo2 hours ago
The problem with speed is that they usually are very fast for first few weeks and then suddenly much slower. They did such trick when they advertised Grok 4 fast ( dropped from 200 tps to 60tps)
victorbjorklund2 hours ago
Wow. That is a big drop.
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kuboblean hour ago
I don't remember the source of the quote.
But debating whether the models are intelligent is slim to debating whether a car can walk.
You can offload to the model a lot of work that until recently we thought requires intelligence. The more and better of those tasks the model can do, it's fair to call it intelligence*
NitpickLawyeran hour ago
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra
MrDrDran hour ago
Please elaborate.
IshKebab31 minutes ago
Some people have this strange idea that only "whatever humans do" counts as intelligence, despite the fact that a) we don't really have a clue what humans do, and b) "intelligence" is definitely not that strictly defined.
I think they're just trying to feel like they know some important truth that other people don't.
nesk_an hour ago
Prediction is not intelligence.
mirekrusinan hour ago
Misprediction is?
exe34an hour ago
What does intelligence mean to you?
netdur2 hours ago
In court vs openai, Musk said Grok is partly trained on openai models, so it should be somehow similar to Chinese models in terms of performance and cost!
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alyxya2 hours ago
Despite their attrition, this combined with their cursor partnership is likely going to make them competitive in coding agents soon.
mirekrusinan hour ago
All those plans from providers should be sliders – prepay more, get more in return.
gigatexal3 minutes ago
How do the grok models fare in coding challenges to say gpt 5.5 and opus 4.6/4.7?
I hate giving Elon any money. The man is a net negative to society but … if the models are objectively better then logically I must no?
ragchronos2 hours ago
When looking at the benchmarks, this model seems to be really close to Kimi K2.6 in terms of intelligence and pricing, hitting that sweet spot. It does also have a higher AA-Omniscience index, which is something kimi and other open models lack in. Curious to see how pleasant it is to use.
alfiedotwtfan hour ago
I’ll eat my hat if it even comes close to Kimi
mirekrusinan hour ago
How would you like it? Well done?
__patchbit__20 minutes ago
What about spending $41 million on each model's tokens and seeing the value gain? be it efficiency gain in factory work or energy savings in austere battlescape hunting.
OtherShrezzing2 hours ago
The tok/s stat is interesting. Since the dominant constraint on inference speed is hardware, it suggests X purchased far more compute than was really needed to serve the demand for their models.
Expensive miscalculation.
fliran hour ago
Didn't a bunch of hardware that was destined for Tesla get redirected to xAI? I'm sure I remember something like that.
mikeyouse5 minutes ago
Yep! Why his shareholders in Tesla abide by this kind of thing is beyond me, but he often mixes resources from completely unrelated companies: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/06/04/elon-musk-told-nvidia-to...
agunapalan hour ago
Very competitive price for the speed and intelligence being offered!
happosaian hour ago
I lost the trust in them when they added the racist "what about killing of Boers in south Africa" thing to their system prompt.
No way am I going to use a model where the backing has such blatantly obvious brain washing goals.
Hugsun28 minutes ago
It is unbelievable that this is a controversial opinion.
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vrganjan hour ago
There is no non-bias. What you call unbiased is always just a reflection of your personal biases.
That being said, I am definitely against a model that is biased to be following the ideology of a far-right extremist.
Jtariian hour ago
Musk bought a social media company for the specific purpose of getting Trump elected by turning it into a right wing propaganda machine. Have Anthropic/OpenAI/Google done something similar to that?
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nextaccountic2 hours ago
This puts Sonnet 4.6 above Opus 4.6 in the coding index.. kinda hard to trust those numbers.
(Also it puts Opus 4.7 universally above Opus 4.6, and I may be wrong but this doesn't seem to match the experience of most/many/some people. I think it's widely recognized that Anthropic is severely lacking compute and Opus 4.7 is a costs saving measure)
manmalan hour ago
Anthropic themselves have (had?) this thing where Opus is used for planning and Sonnet for coding.
Alifatisk2 hours ago
Does numbers don't look exciting at all? I may have gotten spoiled by releases from Qwen, Kimi and Z.ai who keep closing the gap between closed weight SOTA models and open weight. From my experience, Grok is only useful for one thing, and that's looking up things for you and gathering a consensus on topics. That's it.
Update, I noted that Grok 4.3 is in the "Most attractive quadrant", that's cool! It is also in the top 5 highest in "AA-Omniscience Index", good! Really good.
progbits2 hours ago
What's with the charts and numbers?
It says #1 for speed but then in the chart it's #2. Also says #10 for intelligence but then it's #7 in the chart.
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BoorishBears2 hours ago
What an exciting game we're playing, where the most popular leaderboard is completely made up and the stakes are in the trillions.
BoredPositronan hour ago
Yay, free tokens. I don't know why but grok always seems good fast in the free token phase and after that degrades.
khalican hour ago
This project is a gigantic waste of resources, it’s fine tuned on politics of the CEO, was used for CSAM generation and just sucks overall
johnnyApplePRNG20 minutes ago
The resource waste he's talking about is horrendous, read more here: https://time.com/7308925/elon-musk-memphis-ai-data-center/
spiderfarmeran hour ago
It’s a model made for 36% of Americans. The rest of the world can’t care less.
2ndorderthought44 minutes ago
Considering how few Americans there are and how little of that 39% even uses technology, that's what 20 million people at a maximum?
Hugsun31 minutes ago
That seems like a decently sized market. Maybe not for an AI lab though.
2ndorderthought26 minutes ago
Sure it's a good market for a normal company. For a social media company it's pretty isolated and really limits the products that can come out. But their current verticals: propaganda, csam, and psychosis engagement are quite strong amongst that population.
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servo_sausagean hour ago
I like that there are models with divergent politics; the status quo being creepy corporate left silicon valley is not healthy or pleasant to interact with.
Even with grock it's only broadening things to creepy corporate right of silicon valley.
Imustaskforhelp2 hours ago
Pelican riding a bike here: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
(ran this on arena.ai direct chat and also tried to write this gist inspired by how simon writes his gists about pelicans)
Edit: just realized that I made pelican riding a bike instead of bicycle, which now makes sense as to why it hardened the bicycle to look tankier, going to compare this with pelican riding a bicycle if anybody else shares the pelican riding a bicycle.
gchamonlive2 hours ago
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...
You should probably come up with variations, like a beaver riding a scooter or something, just to see what's what :)
Imustaskforhelpan hour ago
Thanks I have generated both
beaver riding a scooter: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
pelican riding a bicycle: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
Personal opinion but the beaver one looks especially bad as compared to pelicans. Can we be for sure that this model of grok-4.3 hasn't been trained on pelican. Simonw in blog-post says that he will try with other creatures so I hope he does that but it does feel to me as the model/xAI is trying to cheat, Hope Simonw tests it out more.
Edit: Also added turtle riding a scooter, something which literally has images online or heck even teenage mutant ninja turtles and I thought that it would be able to pass this but it wasn't even able to generate this: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...
This literally looks more avocado than turtle. Perhaps this could be a bug from arena.ai or something else too, not sure but at this point waiting for simon's analysis.
gchamonlivean hour ago
We can never be sure of course, but I think this is a very strong indication that pelican riding a bike is indeed going into the training dataset.
Thanks for generating those!
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curtisblainean hour ago
Please avoid comments with no real substance, written just to denigrate, with a throwaway account. They make discourse unnecessarily worse.
alfiedotwtf2 hours ago
If there was any model I wouldn’t trust, it wouldn’t be the ones from China, it would be the one from Elon Musk
Cthulhu_an hour ago
Thankfully it's not an either / or, I don't trust any models. This is a healthy attitude to have because you shouldn't trust anyone on the internet either, especially when it comes to specific subjects.
benrutter7 minutes ago
That's definitely a good approach. Although I get a little concerned about the resources put into convincing people that models (and especially Grok) are accurate. For example, X's "fact checked by Grok" approvals, which I've unfortunately heard people reference as meaningful.
Politically motivated models can still do a lot of damage that affects me (or "have a lot of impact" depending on whether you like the politics or not) even if I don't engage with them myself.
2ndorderthought42 minutes ago
I don't trust this. But by not trusting it I am inherently trusting it. But by trusting it I shouldn't.