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It is not proof. It is a clear derived work infringing on the copyright of Nintendo.

Project Highrise is also worth checking out. It's a 2016 re-imagination of the same type of game. I'm not sure I enjoyed it as much as I did Yoot Tower... but I'm also not sure if that's just because Yoot Tower was a few decades younger back when I played :).

One of the maps in Yoot Tower is Kegon Falls. When I moved to Japan I found out it was a real place. Just took another day trip up there last month. Of course IRL it’s just an elevator but the view each season is amazing.

Love Yoot Tower! Can we clone it next?

The real question is how many other things it's missing.

Reading the process in TFA, it's very much dependent on the comprehensiveness of the testing framework. And apparently, the tests never built a lobby in the bottom left corner...

Anything else it didn't try, is probably also not documented and not implemented.

With the growing use of AI in reverse engineering, we might need to shift our goals to more strongly verifiable ones, such as matching decompilation.

Literally the first thing I tried. :-/

SimCopter was the best game!! You could even fly around your own simcity build!

I spoke with Yoot about it recently. There are some issues with Nintendo and licensing that may take some time to work through. My fingers are crossed, but it might take a while and require patience. We all want it to happen though!

Meanwhile I'm working on Micropolis (based on the original SimCity Classic code, cleaned up, and compiled with Emscripten into WASM), and also reimplementing The Sims character animation system and content management and creation system in TypeScript with WebGPU and MOOLLM. ;)

Micropolis WASM + WebGL tile renderer demo:

https://micropolisweb.com

MicropolisCore repo:

https://github.com/SimHacker/MicropolisCore

Micropolis design docs:

https://github.com/SimHacker/MicropolisCore/tree/main/design...

Sims character animation demo with WebGPU renderer:

https://vitamoo.space

Source code:

https://github.com/DnfJeff/SimObliterator_Suite/tree/main/vi...

Design docs:

https://github.com/DnfJeff/SimObliterator_Suite/tree/main/vi...

Designs for creating LLM driven Sims content editing and creation tools, uplifting and simulating The Sims in MOOLLM, and downloading The Sims content back into the original game:

https://github.com/SimHacker/moollm/tree/main/designs/sim-ob...

>"What would your Sims say if they could finally talk to you?"

>Two-way bridge between The Sims 1 save files and MOOLLM. Characters, objects, and pets step between a 26-year-old game VM and an LLM-powered universe, retaining and synchronizing their parallel existences.

>The One-Line Version

>Drag a 25-year-old Sims save file in. Watch the character wake up. Have a conversation with them. Send them home changed.

The Uplift: Sims ↔ MOOLLM Character Bridge

https://github.com/SimHacker/moollm/blob/main/designs/sim-ob...

It's all still a work in progress that I hack on when I have spare time (and spare money for tokens), so no ship date known! ;)

Also, Fabian Wesner's posted about using Claud Code to analyze the original micropolis repo's code and documentation to generate a new version.

Here is a deep dive "podcast" he generated (presenting Claud's analysis in a conversational format) that describes the work. I listened to it, and it got the important trademark and licensing issues right, was quite comprehensive and technically accurate, up until the end where they said maybe there's something to learn about city planning from SimCity! ;)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SGAkLIb4CQMPKU7TJ2sRdEjc0Dh...

It pretty much parallels the analysis docs in his repo, which are also quite accurate:

https://github.com/FabianWesner/micropolis/tree/master/docs

This lightning talk I gave at HAR 2009 goes into what you can actually learn from playing SimCity/Micropolis (and reading and extending the code), thanks to Seymour Papert's and Alan Kay's philosophy of Constructionist Education, and it's much wider and more generally useful than just city planning:

https://donhopkins.medium.com/har-2009-lightning-talk-transc...

To save you the indignity of LinkedIn scraping your browser extensions, here is a copy of Fabian Wesner's post and my response with the link spying urls resolved:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/fabian-wesner_micropolis-simc...

Fabian Wesner | CTO | Passionate about AI and Entrepreneurship | 1 month ago

Claude Code is extremely good at documenting legacy software. That's a huge blessing, especially when the original developers are no longer around or are finally ready to retire.

If you haven't tried this, you might be missing out. So I did it for you.

#Micropolis is the open-source release of the original #SimCity, published by Electronic Arts in 1989. EA released the source code under GPLv3 in 2008 for the One Laptop Per Child project. The codebase is decades old, and there's likely no one left who knows it inside out.

SimCity was one of the very first games I played, back in 1990 on my father's 286. Just a few months after the Wall fell. So this one is personal.

I let Claude Code read the entire codebase and write a full documentation. As far as I can see, it looks correct and complete. I'm no expert on this particular codebase, but that's exactly the point: there might be no expert left on earth. I have tried this on other software where I am an expert, and the results are surprisingly accurate.

You can find the resulting docs and the prompt here: https://github.com/FabianWesner/micropolis/tree/master/docs

I also converted the docs into a podcast episode for easier consumption:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SGAkLIb4CQMPKU7TJ2sRdEjc0Dh...

Enjoy!

I know I’m not the first to use Claude Code on this treasure and - of course - I already rebuilt the game with JavaScript.

More on this tomorrow!

Don Hopkins | Full Stack Generalist AI Engineer

Although I may have two feet firmly planted in mid-air, I am still on Earth and know the code. I reviewed it and am I'm impressed with this documentation, which even caught my experimental Eliza chatbot easter egg in the PyGTK version! Importantly it correctly covered all the licensing and trademark issue, and mentioned that active development has moved on to the cleaned up and renovated MicropolisCore repo.

https://github.com/SimHacker/MicropolisCore

Here are the latest design docs:

https://github.com/SimHacker/MicropolisCore/tree/main/design...

The documentation you generated does a good job at mapping out and comparing the several different versions of the code. Albert Hofkamp and I cleaned up and refactored the code into C++ MicropolisCore (which I integrated with Python with SWIG, and later WebAssembly with emscripten/embind), and we wrote Doxygen comments and documentation in the code.

Chaim Gingold deeply studied multiple versions of the SimCity source code for his PhD thesis in Play Design, and interviewed many people involved, then wrote the definitive magnum opus "Building SimCity". Chaim is the one person on Earth who understands SimCity better than Will Wright!

https://direct.mit.edu/books/monograph/5791/Building-SimCity...

>Building SimCity: How to Put the World in a Machine

>A deep dive into the trailblazing simulation game SimCity, situating it in the history of games, simulation, and computing. Building SimCity explores the ...

Good grief you can't hide easter eggs any more!

"Additionally, the web version includes: PacBot -- an AI robot that follows roads toward heavy traffic and "eats" cars, reducing traffic density. This was an early experiment in programmable game avatars."

PacBot appears one minute into this video:

https://youtu.be/8snnqQSI0GE?t=56

>Micropolis Online (SimCity) Web Demo. A demo of the open source Micropolis Online game (based on the original SimCity Classic source code from Maxis), running on a web...

I see to recall it being an express elevator to floor 90 (multiple of 15), then a short regular elevator for the rest of the way to the cathedral. I beat the game several times, usually with the 100% lowest-cost office build.

I’ve had not great experiences with Opus 4.7. It seems the model is overall less effective at reliably delivering via my standard way of interacting, and it also forgets things it was asked several times, even just minutes after being reminded again (e.g. “don’t in-line imports”).

I’m probably holding it wrong, but I think a given a sufficiently advanced AI it would essentially be impossible to use it incorrectly. Feels like a step backwards in this regard.

I posted an update in response to this message:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47970301

Patches are welcome, especially for UI stuff - the simulation I'd like to keep matching exactly. I have one deviation already: the floors are 0-indexed and lobbies are on 15, 30, ..., which would be 16, 31, ... in the original game.

FYI you can also play it in the browser, although it's the DOS version: https://playclassic.games/games/simulation-dos-games-online/...

It would be great for the movie theater to be able to play any video synchronized across multiple players so you can watch it together, like the awesome movie theater in Cursor Camp. Then we could all watch the extremely weird original SimTower movies together, in their 8-bit error diffusion dithered glory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8o7gg87k4

Condom Duck:

https://youtu.be/qq8o7gg87k4?t=211

Psycho Party:

https://youtu.be/qq8o7gg87k4?t=381

Cursor Camp (recent hn discussion and neil.fun link):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949939

https://neal.fun/cursor-camp/

Also, LGR did these great reviews of SimTower and Yoot Tower, which he truly loves, so he disclaims that they are not exactly non-biased:

LGR - SimTower - PC Game Review (15 years ago):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ToEDrhxo0

LGR - Yoot Tower: The Sequel to SimTower (5 years ago):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNECXCd9iU

Yoot interviewed many interesting people for MACWORLD Japan, like Joanna Hoffman, Bill Atkinson, Steve Wozniak, Douglas Engelbart, and Alan Kay. Here's a transcript of Yoot Saito's interview of Alan Kay that he shared with me and I cleaned up and linked out:

https://github.com/YootTowerManagement/YootTower/blob/main/Y...

A Journey Through Computing History with Yoot Saito and Alan Kay

  Yoot towers wisely,
  Alan constructs the future --
  foundations of change.

In this captivating interview from 1993, recently unearthed and previously published only in Japan, renowned game designer Yutaka "Yoot" Saito of MACWORLD Japan engages with computing pioneer Alan Kay in a deep exploration of technology's past and future. This dialogue, captured on a cassette tape and transcribed, spans the evolution of personal computing, highlighting groundbreaking advancements and visionary ideas that have shaped modern technology. Yoot Saito, celebrated for his innovative approach to game design, and Alan Kay, known for his seminal contributions such as the development of the graphical user interface and the concept of the Dynabook, offer profound insights into both the historical trajectory and the potential futures of the digital world. This interview serves as a treasure trove of historical anecdotes, philosophical reflections, and forward-looking innovations, capturing a moment when two brilliant minds discussed the dynamics of technological progress.

What's with the edit?

This is an unnecessarily rude, dismissive, and low value comment. I loved this game growing up and I think it's fantastic to see this work. I don't find it particularly relevant whether or not a language model was involved.