theanonymousone16 hours ago
Something is hilariously off here: Why should I pay $10 and be forced to use it by the end of the month, while I can pay $10 and have it last as long as I want?
Their "API pricing" is exactly the same as that of providers: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...
everfrustrated16 hours ago
I'm thinking the same. Downgrade to Pro and use OpenRouter (same price) for overage.
Seems a massive loss for Microsoft. Presumably there's a further rugpull to come.
asdfasgasdgasdg16 hours ago
> Presumably there's a further rugpull to come.
How would that be? They are already charging as much as the underlying providers. They can hardly expect to have any customers if they are charging more.
rurp15 hours ago
Enterprise sales will be the answer. Microsoft will have some story that convinces an exec eight levels up the org chart from the normal users that this is an essential product they need to overpay for. Given their existing relationshipsand immense sales team they'll probably have success.
Epa09514 hours ago
That story is data governance. Corporate already have a data-agreement with MS, storing all their data there. Github copilot is covered by that, while a individual agreement with e.g. anthropic needs lawers involved.
mekael14 hours ago
It’s precisely this, and, to be fair, it’s a rational approach given a Data Security Exhibit starts at 6 weeks and can hit 6 months to complete. That being said, I work with regulated data, so YMMV.
OccamsMirror5 hours ago
Plus if you're in government you have procurement to deal with. You already have an Enterprise deal with Microsoft so you don't have to go through any of that rigmarole.
keriati114 hours ago
Can confirm, this is the situation.
formerly_proven14 hours ago
Microsoft is simply the default answer for most large corporations. Getting access to some Microsoft subscription is very easy, because of the existing framework agreements, Microsoft providing any and all compliance slopuments needed and already being pre-cleared for corporate data etc. Meanwhile trying to use another provider (e.g. Anthropic) would be a one year endeavor, minimum.
user3428312 hours ago
We also pay $300/month for Azure Desktop VMs.
We are paying for tens of thousands of those machines, although everyone knows they are stupidly expensive and incredibly slow.
munk-a12 hours ago
They list the price 900% higher and give a 90% discount to enterprises who also use teams, outlook, office or even windows if they're desperate. Then that becomes a deal so good that enterprises can't afford not to take it!
theanonymousone16 hours ago
I'm already on Pro. Why should I keep it?
rs3814 hours ago
e.g. if on an annual plan? 0x will be gone, but there are okay 1x and 0.3x models left. I am pretty much curious how the early may test invoicing will look like. current setup of tools etc. is way too chatty eats up 1+M token per PRU easily. not sure how much is cached.
saratogacx8 hours ago
Only reason to keep it is if you like their UX and auto-complete. Everything else is on pay per use and if you don't use all of it (good luck with the 5 hour and week caps) you have just paid more for the auto-complete
The deal is really pretty much garbage now and I believe that is the intent.
CraigRood2 hours ago
I use auto-complete mostly, so I'm somewhat relieved. When I do need to use the agent, I don't think I will use all of the tokens.
$10 a month for auto-complete on a good UX is good value IMHO.
dfordp115 hours ago
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hununu15 hours ago
private repos
theanonymousone15 hours ago
Can you elaborate please? I still clone my private repos and work on them using OpenRouter Credits and OpenCode (or Copilot itself: It supports OpenRouter BYOK). No?
piskov15 hours ago
Copilot pro, not github pro
selcuka10 hours ago
Also you can have private repos on GitHub Free.
quietsegfault11 hours ago
OpenRouter charges a 5% (?) fee for buying credits.
mdesq13 hours ago
I have to wonder if it's because of how many Enterprise customers they have who have standardized on Github Copilot and gotten it through the gauntlet of legal approvals etc.
pverheggen13 hours ago
This rings true to me as someone who's worked at a few large corps like this. A price hike does not change things when there is a mandate to use MS products over other vendors.
codebje9 hours ago
That is exactly where I am.
We're putting other providers through the gauntlet. An M4 Studio or two running the latest Qwen3 or whatever counts for state of the art in open models is also looking a little more viable all the time.
on_the_train7 hours ago
Bingo. Ghcp is the only allowed llm solution at our big well known semiconductor corp. It'll take years to get approval for anything else. We're stuck with it and will pay whatever price we have to.
gpm16 hours ago
I'm wondering if they're basically saying they're going to give $10/month free API credits to students and open source maintainers and so on... while otherwise getting out of the consumer portion of this space.
redsaber15 hours ago
they're downsizing free github copilot pro for open source maintainers. At the very least, it looks like small open source projects got their free copilot pro cut off
rmast10 hours ago
I was kinda of disappointed when that happened earlier this month, but not as much now after seeing this change. My primary use had been trying out some of the newer Anthropic and OpenAI models, which probably would have burned through $10 worth of credits rather quickly given their new pricing.
fooey13 hours ago
for my experience currently, I greatly prefer the VSCode Copilot extension experience over the Claude Extension
I think VSCode only supports copilot for "autocomplete" too
on top of that, you need GitHub Copilot for the PR reviewer functionality in GitHub
cityofdelusion12 hours ago
Huh, I find my copilot plugin to be so incredibly glitchy. My agents are always reporting that their shells are mangled that commands are truncated and all kinds of nonsense. Sometimes they spin up dev servers fine other times it just hangs waiting for a terminal response. So far I have found relying on the CLI from the model providers to be significantly more reliable.
I do like the integrations with the IDE however, they are convenient for rapidly reviewing changes. I just need their terminals to actually work!
evilsnoopi311 hours ago
I had this problem and it turns out it was my oh-my-posh command prompt customization. VS Code injects certain control characters into the output stream for agents to observe events and the theming runs after those mechanics are hooked up so it can interfere. Updating to the latest oh-my-posh fixed it for me.
Here's the oh-my-posh GH issue[0] in case your problem is similar but not solvable with a simple package update.
[0]: https://github.com/JanDeDobbeleer/oh-my-posh/issues/7029
anentropic10 minutes ago
I have the same problem with zsh + powerlevel10k
but surely the issue is on VS Code side, to do things in a way that work with people's shells as they are
other agent harnesses don't have the same problems with my shell
theanonymousone3 hours ago
You can use Copilot extension with OpenRouter (among others).
And yes, I need to find a solution for autocomplete. It used to be available in free tier of Copilot. Not sure anymore.
ezfe16 hours ago
Enterprise gets pooled credits and will like having everything go through one place so I think it still works.
mnahkies15 hours ago
You can pool credits through open router (afaik, I'm only using a single user account), but if you top-up $10 per user, per month, any unused credits will rollover.
Tbh I think it still works, but only because the new allowance will likely get used very quickly within a billing cycle - I'm expecting this change to increase our orgs bill significantly based on how many API credits with open router I consume in a weekend using a single agent in a pairing style.
The pooling will only be useful if you have a bunch of infrequent/low usage users that you still want to have licenses.
MartinodF4 hours ago
Which is almost guaranteed to be the case for a large org, considering everyone will want auto complete and PR reviews, but on average most will not be making a ton of agent use
J_Shelby_J15 hours ago
Is there a way to use the autocomplete feature with an api?
ezfe8 hours ago
No but autocomplete is not part of this billing change
krzyk3 hours ago
Is that autocomplete better than IntelliJ own plus their local only LLM completion?
I uninstalled copilot plugin because it was eating memory and its completions where about 60% good and the rest was bad.
After switching back to IntelliJ I see just positives.
my00218 hours ago
The era of subsidised inference is truly ending. The new model multipliers (https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...) seem like a huge leap, though. From 1x to 6x for new-ish GPT and Sonnet models. 27x for Opus...
Seems like folks would be better off with OpenRouter instead.
giwook18 hours ago
Lots of us have noticed that usage limits for Claude have been nerfed in recent weeks/months.
If anything, these new multipliers are more transparent than anything OpenAI or Anthropic have communicated regarding actual costs and give us a more realistic understanding of what it's costing these providers.
The fact that we were able to get such a substantial amount of usage for $20/$100/$200 a month was never meant to last and to think otherwise was perhaps a bit naive.
This feels like a strategy from the ZIRP era of tech growth where companies burned investor capital and gave away their products and services for free (or subsidized them heavily) in order to prioritize user acquisition initially. Then once they'd gained enough traction and stickiness they'd then implement a monetization strategy to capitalize on said user base.
dualvariable17 hours ago
However, inference costs for entirely good enough models are likely to keep declining in the future. We're probably hitting diminishing returns on model size and training. The new generations aren't quantum leaps anymore, and newer generations of open source models like DeepSeek are likely to start getting good enough.
There's going to be a limit to how much they can raise prices, because someone can always build out a datacenter and fill it up with open source DeepSeek inference and undercut your prices by 10x while still making a very good ROI--and that's a business model right there. Right now I'm sure there's a lot of people who will protest that they couldn't do their jobs with lesser models, but as time goes on that will get less and less. Already right now the consumers who are using AI for writing presentations, cooking recipe generation and ELI5 answers for common things, aren't going to be missing much from a lesser model. That'll actually only start to get cheaper over time.
Also for business needs, as AI inference costs escalate there comes a point where businesses rediscover human intelligence again, and start hiring/training people to do more work to use lesser models--if that is more productive in the end than shelling out large amounts of cash for inference on the latest models. [Although given how much companies waste on AWS, there's a lot of tolerance for overspending in corporations...]
geodel16 hours ago
> because someone can always build out a datacenter and fill it up with open source DeepSeek inference and undercut your prices by 10x while still making a very good ROI-
Not sure how it all works out. Currently trillion dollar companies can't make a native app for platforms. Everything is just JS/Electron because economics does not work for them.
And here companies can make GW data center running very expensive GPUs for 1/10th of current prices. Sound little fanciful to me.
bootsmann15 hours ago
The price you pay for anthropic must include the price of training new and better models which is incredibly costly. If you use the models someone else already spend money to develop you don’t need to pay this price.
croes17 hours ago
I guess the new models will still be quantum leaps, but literally: "The smallest possible change in a system"
hansmayer32 minutes ago
They've been like that for a while actually, I think at least since the big hype around ChatGPT 4.5 (or was it 5?) and that underwhelming, lukewarm, oversanitised presentation by Altman and his team.
ctoth15 hours ago
Yups... Mythos is the smallest possible leap. Not a standard model generation advance, not even a version point advance. Just the smallest possible quanta of a change. We are absolutely hitting a plateau any day now. Any day. Any time. Any second now. Yup. Right now! Surely!
hansmayer35 minutes ago
I mean let's be realistic - all that we know about the "mythical" Mythos is the carefully curated and release stuff by the Anthropic's PR team. Is it really a huge leap they are making it to be? I doubt it. In fact I bet if it was indeed that powerful and dangerous, as they imply, they'd find a way to release it immediately, devastate OpenAI and DeepSeek and secure a leading position in the market. Why is it not happening? I suspect because Dario is again at it, peddling his bullshit.
cubefox15 hours ago
Yeah. AI progress is insanely fast if you compare it to anything else. Where else is a one year old technology already hopelessly outdated? 10 years ago is basically stone age.
madamelic15 hours ago
I am continually tripped out by the fact when I was 16, I didn't have a 'smartphone' beyond a Windows Mobile 6 phone that had no internet on it.
Now, I have this high-resolution shiny object that can near instantaneously get any information I want along with _streaming HD video to it_ *anywhere*.
15 years even feels like a stone age. I can't fathom what it has to feel like people in their 60s and 70s.
nonameiguess14 hours ago
I'm not quite 60, but it's always interesting to me that I feel quite the opposite of this. When I was 16, I didn't have a computer, didn't have a phone, had never used the Internet, but when I think of how life has changed, it's frankly not much. I woke up this morning, scooped my cats' litter boxes, took out some trash, made myself breakfast, ate that, read some news while eating, then lifted weights in my garage, had some work meetings, wrote up some instructions per a customer request from Friday, and am about to go drive to the lake to go do a 9 mile longboard loop.
That's very close to a normal day in 1996. The biggest difference is I read the news on my phone instead of a physical newspaper. The news was not any more interesting or informative because of that. I guess I can also still do the loop reasonably well, but I'm a lot slower than I was in 1996 when I was a cross-country state champion.
My parents are closing in on 70 and I guess I can't speak for them, but I'm at least aware of the daily routines of their lives, too. Walk the dog, do housework, DIY building projects, visit kids and grankids. Seems much the same, too, with the biggest difference being they're now teaching my sister's sons to play baseball rather than me, but shit, one of her sons even looks like exactly the same way I looked when I was 7! The more things change, the more they stay the same.
jjkaczor10 hours ago
General agree... I still do the things (mid-50's) I used to do when I was a teenager with no computer, no phone.
But - now they are easier - I can read books on an e-ink screen and pretty much instantly find what I want to read next. I get my news on a phone. I used to watch TV/movies broadcast or on tape rentals. Now, I have just about everything I could ever want available - without ADs... those were such a time-waster.
What has changed is that I have access to MORE information than my local (or school) libraries could ever provide - in a variety of more accessible formats. Whatever tools I need to get "work done", I can find a myriad of free and open-source options.
But - the overall days and household family routines are the same - now, instead of reading a paper book while waiting to pickup my kids (or other family members) "back-in-the-day", I can read my device, or connect with my DIY communities online on my phone - or learn something new. I don't have to schedule life around major broadcast events, I can easily do many tasks while I am "out-and-about".
Friction has been reduced.
rootusrootus13 hours ago
If your parents are closing in on 70, I would have expected you to be closer to not quite 50 than not quite 60.
I am just over 50 myself and I agree with your points. Technology has changed but life is largely very similar to wear it was in the 90s. At least day to day. Attitudes are way worse now.
madamelic12 hours ago
Thank you for this insight!
I always wonder the views of older people. My parents are very technology forward and have been my entire life so it is difficult to gauge how different life is compared to when they were growing up.
It's easy to hear "Oh well I only had 640kb of memory and typed programs out of a magazine I got in the mail!" and see as distinct from having 'unlimited' resources and the internet.
Your insight is good ("The biggest difference is I read the news on my phone instead of a physical newspaper") that life sort of stays the same but the modality changes. People still go to the store like they did in the mid-1800s but now it is by car.
I wonder what our "industrial revolution" will be where the previous generation lived (ie: out in the country on a farm) totally different lives to the current (ie: in the city in a factory). Maybe when space travel and multi-planetary living is normalized?
saulpw12 hours ago
> It's easy to hear "Oh well I only had 640kb of memory and typed programs out of a magazine I got in the mail!"
Since I was there (young, but there), I want to point out that this crosses three eras which all felt quite different:
1978: typed programs in from a magazine or loaded from a cassette (16kB, TRS-80)
1983: loaded programs from a floppy (64kB, Apple ][ and C64 etc)
1988: loaded programs from a hard disk (640kB, IBM PC and Mac).
bobthepanda11 hours ago
To some degree this already happened with the move from the industrial city to suburbanization and then re-urbanization. In particular one of the most notable recent developments is that urban waterways are now pretty desirable places to be with parks and recreation; in most industrializing cities the waterfront was actively avoided because the industrial use made it polluted, smelly etc.
zdragnar14 hours ago
Depends on where you live. My dad is almost 80, grew up in a very rural area, and when he was 16 they'd just gotten indoor plumbing. Up until he was 14, his school was a one-room school house with no heating other than a wood stove. If you were the first kid to arrive for the day, it was your job to get the fire going in winter months.
Housework meant no laundry machine, no dishwasher, and possibly no vacuum cleaner. That means hand washing everything, and beating rugs with sticks and brushes to get the dust off of them.
gzread10 hours ago
The news on the phone is worse, in fact.
giwook17 hours ago
I think so too.
And at some point even frontier model costs will hopefully come down (if there is still a meaningful difference between closed and open source models at that point) as all of the compute that's being built out right now comes online.
Fire-Dragon-DoL17 hours ago
I hope it's true, but right now hardware prices are insane
hirako200016 hours ago
It does feel like the music is about to stop.
It has been years now, of cash injections, investors can't keep feeding the beast forever.
Gigachad12 hours ago
This is the best AI programming will be. From here on the enshitification starts and the prices go up.
ochronus5 hours ago
As predicted by many. The math is, as usual, mathing.
ctoth15 hours ago
It has been years now of reading this same comment... Surely people can't keep typing it forever.
stuartq14 hours ago
But the prices haven't been going up by multiples of 6 for the past few years. Things are actually changing now. I don't think it's over, but in the short term, it's going to be considerably more expensive.
Applejinx29 minutes ago
And it didn't really get flawless, did it? All the same objections stand, but the cost is inevitably blowing up for the same kinda jank product.
hirako200012 hours ago
They will smooth up the spike. Or be subtle and transform the existing quota so that they run out more quickly. Calling it caching, compression, optimisation, of course for the sacred benefit of the users.
That would be, even is, the smart thing to do.
tclancy11 hours ago
I’m not willing too, but I can set up a cron job to Claude -p the task.
soraisdead9 hours ago
The difference is we're now in a world where Disney has pulled out of OpenAI without comming, and Sora was dropped off a ditch.
In other words.
The bubble has burst. You're just in denial.
stefan_14 hours ago
Dunno, if in this day and age you are making inference more expensive, more scarce, you are honestly moving in the wrong direction and DeepSeek and others will gladly take your lunch.
Gigachad12 hours ago
The hardware to run deepseek is still incredibly expensive.
2ndorderthought10 minutes ago
Have you seen the news about qwen3.6? People are running it on sub 1000 euro hardware. Apparently it's about as good as Claude sonnet.
cheema3311 hours ago
> The hardware to run deepseek is still incredibly expensive.
Deepseek API pricing is very low compared to Anthropic/OpenAI API pricing.
For many, the 300% difference in pricing may be difficult to justify, if the quality difference is very small. And there will be many tasks where the most expensive/the best model, is not needed. Currently many people end up using Opus 4.7/GPT 5.5 for many tasks without thinking about it.
Gigachad10 hours ago
Is deepseek still on subsidized pricing though.
2ndorderthought6 minutes ago
Near zero probability of that. The model is more efficient and the company who trained it did not blunder trillions of dollars to do so. China has better electricity infrastructure than the US too, so the likelihood they can scale out before the US ever could is high. Long term deepseek, Alibaba, etc hold the most cards for sustainable AI even despite the attempted Nvidia embargo
I am not shilling China, this is just what is happening right now.
nl8 hours ago
Judging by the multiple providers selling it for around the same price (including non-VC funded competitors): no, it isn't subsidized.
johndough2 hours ago
Is there somewhere I can look up whether a certain provider is VC-funded?
sergiotapia10 hours ago
That is folly because there is very minimal cost to switching providers, let alone models.
glicvdfhsdf12 hours ago
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bluescrn16 hours ago
Did anyone really expect AI to be cheap?
If/when it gets to the point where it can replace a skilled worker, the service can be sold for close to the same price as that skilled labour. But the AI can run 24/7, reliably, and scale up/down at a moments notice.
There's not going to be much competition to drive prices down, the barriers to entry are already huge. There'll likely to be one clear winner, becoming a near-monopoly, or maybe we'll get a duopoly at best.
hansmayer14 hours ago
> Did anyone really expect AI to be cheap?
Yes, a lot of people (not me). Why? Well because that was the whole value proposition of these companies, relentlessly pushed by their PR and most of the media- rememmber it was something something Pocket PhDs, massive unemployment etc?
rwyinuse15 hours ago
"There's not going to be much competition to drive prices down, the barriers to entry are already huge. There'll likely to be one clear winner, becoming a near-monopoly, or maybe we'll get a duopoly at best."
Based on what exactly? So far every time OpenAI, Anthropic or whatever has released a new top performing model, competitors have caught up quickly. Open source models have greatly improved as well.
I expect AI to be just like cloud computing in general - AWS, Azure, GCP being the main providers, with dozens of smaller competitors offering similar services as well.
flir15 hours ago
I do. "Commoditize your complement". Want to sell lots of silicon? Give away good local models to run on that silicon.
Even if SOTA models in the cloud are a few percentage points better, most work can be routed to local models most of the time. That leaves the cloud providers fighting over the most computationally intensive tasks. In the long term, I think models are going to be local-first.
(Unless providers can figure out a network effect that local models can't replicate).
bluescrn2 hours ago
> I think models are going to be local-first.
Why on earth would that happen when everything else is moving into the cloud to tie it to ever-escalating subscription fees and prevent piracy?
Even with gaming, where running high-end 3D games in the cloud seems like madness and inevitably degrades the quality of the experience, they won't stop trying.
vanviegen14 hours ago
> In the long term, I think models are going to be local-first.
Why? There's an inherent efficiency advantage to scale, while the only real advantage for local models (privacy/secrecy) hasn't proven convincing for broader IT either.
solid_fuel12 hours ago
Local first models aren't just more private than the API vendors, they also have the advantages of fixed cost, lower latency, and better stability - local models don't get nerfed/"updated" in the background like chatgpt does.
Maybe in a world where these AI companies behaved with some semblance of ethics and user-friendliness they would be on even ground, but for anyone paying attention local models are obviously the future.
still_grokking8 hours ago
> the only real advantage for local models (privacy/secrecy) hasn't proven convincing for broader IT either
Because of nonexistent regulation. Just wait for it…
The legal situation in for example the EU is crystal clear, only that it will take some time to go though all court instances.
LtWorf12 hours ago
To not depend on an external company that can decide the price.
Dylan168079 hours ago
That's a silly reason. For non-agent use cases what kind of utilization are you going to average on your own GPU, 5-10%? And that's without batching.
Even with overhead and scaling for peak use and a large profit margin, any company with an ounce of competition will be vastly cheaper than self-hosting. And for models you can run yourself, there will be plenty of competition.
LtWorf5 hours ago
I think you are calculating with current prices. Try to extrapolate the price in one year, seeing the current trends instead.
vanviegen5 hours ago
Extrapolating current trends, I expect API prices to drop significantly for a given measure of 'intelligence'.
soraisdead9 hours ago
> Did anyone really expect AI to be cheap?
Considering most of the cost of producing a model is the upfront cost rather than the running one, I kinda still do.
The point was never to produce 4 frontier models per company a year.
skeeter202017 hours ago
"This change aligns Copilot pricing with actual usage and is an important step toward a sustainable, reliable Copilot business and experience for all users."
I see statements like this as strong indicators that the sales people are wrapping up their work and the accountants are taking over. The land rush is switching to an operational efficiency play.
torben-friis16 hours ago
The sooner the better. Let's take a look at the long term, enshittified, viable product before we get too dependent on the trial version.
fsniper16 hours ago
And enshitification starts.
specproc18 hours ago
Yeah, totally. The recent pricing changes have just made my Copilot subscription go from great deal to awful value over night.
I've been wanting to get off MS more generally and this is good motivation. Will be playing round with OR this week.
cedws17 hours ago
Just be aware OpenRouter charges a 5.5% fee, I didn’t know until recently. I like the product, and I think the fee is fair, but if you want the absolute best pricing then go direct.
ffsm817 hours ago
But with open router you can always just use the latest model. If you're committed to eg Claude opus then you're better off going directly to anthropic for sure, but if not, varying other models may be fine too, depending on use case and be massively cheaper. Eg new deep seek model with same mio context window or Kimi k2.6 with 270k context window for subagents which implement
gruez15 hours ago
>but if not, varying other models may be fine too, depending on use case and be massively cheaper
Do inference providers have standardized endpoints, or at least endpoints compatible with claude code? Otherwise to pay 5.5% on all your tokens just so it's slightly easier to swap providers (ie. changing a few urls?)
swiftcoder15 hours ago
> Do inference providers have standardized endpoints, or at least endpoints compatible with claude code?
Yep, you can plug deepseek/kimi/minimax into claude code just fine. Or run everything through another harness like opencode instead.
attentive9 hours ago
Or you could use gcp Vertex or aws Bedrock and still have access to a bunch of FMs without a markup.
AntiUSAbah16 hours ago
Wow thats a lot for routing traffic.
sailfast16 hours ago
And handling API tokens, and billing, and reliability, and middleware. I am not affiliated with them but it’s not “just” routing.
Apple still charges 30%. 5.5 seems pretty reasonable. /shrug I dunno.
Dylan1680710 hours ago
> handling API tokens
Don't you still need to handle tokens with them? Also that's trivial.
> billing
Yes but you'd be paying for billing anyway.
> reliability
They increase reliability?
> middleware
Which you wouldn't need if you paid directly.
I'm not saying they shouldn't get 5.5%, but that list is mostly non-convincing.
> Apple still charges 30%.
3 of the 30 is for billing, with the rest mostly being gatekeeping with a fake justification on top.
polski-g6 hours ago
There's nothing trivial about getting a Google API key. Openrouter removes that stress from my life. And I can route requests to providers above a certain TPS threshold. And much more.
ac2916 hours ago
Payment processing likely eats up at least 2-3% of that
arcanemachiner14 hours ago
IIRC OpenRouter charges you for the payment processing fee also.
Still worth it IMO to be able to switch from Provider A to Provider B if Provider A is having a bad day.
webworker10 hours ago
I will not be renewing/switching over, either.
I had copilot mainly so I could write issues and throw agents at it, while I went off and did other things. Has been great for contained spot work.
At this point, I'll go ahead and leave it expire, and then consolidate between Codex and JetBrains AI. Especially since Xcode supports Codex with a first-party integration.
nacs18 hours ago
Even Sonnet 4.6 is 9x multiplier (previously 1x)!
The only model I even used on Copilot was Sonnet and now its got a ridiculous multiplier.
At this point they might as well just charge per Million tokens like every other provider instead of having a subscription.
krzyk3 hours ago
They do for any new plan. Those multipliers are only for people that paid annually. After their subscription ends they'll go into token based pricing like the rest of people.
mitjam13 hours ago
I understand it like : the 10 usd is for handling the business record, maybe also the harness, I get a few coins to kick tires, but to use it for anything real it’s pay as you go by the tokens list price.
altmanaltman17 hours ago
> At this point they might as well just charge per Million tokens like every other provider instead of having a subscription.
Pretty sure that's what they will eventually do
tjoff15 hours ago
... that is exactly what they will do. Just click the link in this thread, or read the headline.
hrpnk15 hours ago
Why the multipliers then at all?
lexone14 hours ago
The multipliers are there only for current annual plan customers. After 2026 its all tokens.
MattBDev13 hours ago
I thought I was smart for buying the annual plan after I graduated and lost my student plan and then GitHub taking away my Copilot Pro I got for free for being a author of a popular OSS project. Turns out I'm being punished for making that year commitment to them. I like to think I'm only a moderate user of GHCP so this is just terrible for me. I'm honestly thinking about cancelling and switching to alternatives while also looking at investing in a local LLM setup.
fuglede_6 hours ago
So they're changing the product that people already paid an annual subscription for to the worse. That's asking for legal complaints.
ItsClo68818 hours ago
27x for Opus is genuinely shocking. at that point you're not paying for convenience anymore, you're just paying a GitHub tax. OpenRouter or direct API makes way more sense unless you're really glued to the IDE integration.
thrdbndndn18 hours ago
I keep seeing people mention OpenRouter.
Does it effectively bypass regional restrictions for you, so you can use something like the Claude API from unsupported regions such as Hong Kong, or does it still enforce the official providers' geo-restrictions?
rvnx18 hours ago
OpenRouter is great for budget control, but as they are indirect APIs, your experience with cached tokens may vary, eventually costing much more than in direct depending on the providers.
You can pay with crypto though, which seems to be convenient for people under sanctions or with limited access, or if you are in low-tax jurisdiction (e.g. HK)
jauntywundrkind17 hours ago
Caching is advertised per model+provider.
That said I think few people using openrouter are actually being selective about providers.
It took half a day to get my opencode setup, was not friendly. A lot of manually cross referencing model and providers. I was actually mainly optimizing for relatively fast providers. It all is super fragile and I'm sure half out of date; I have no idea if these picks are still fast, no promises they are still the same price (pretty terrifying honestly).
I'm mostly on coding plans so it doesn't super affect me. But man is it a bother to maintain.
krzyk3 hours ago
Those multiplier are only for grandfathered Pro an Pro+ plans that had annual billing, basically a way to scare people of out of those plans. Ant new ones (and bussiness+enterprise plans) will be on token based billing since June 1.
mullingitover11 hours ago
The point of this loss leading is to properly hoover up the money in the pockets of enterprise customers, get them locked into the idea that they need the latest and greatest cloud-based model, while simultaneously starving everyone of the memory they'd need in order to run competent models locally.
In not-too-distant future we're going to be running better models on our phones than we can buy access to today in the cloud. Skate where the puck is going: soak the customers until that day comes.
johndough15 hours ago
It's interesting that the cost multiplier for Claude Sonnet 4/4.5/4.6 varies so much (1/6/9), while the API cost is exactly the same for all three models.
Also, the multiplier of 27 for Claude Opus 4.6/4. is way higher than the increase in API price would suggest.
I wonder why that is.
vanviegen14 hours ago
On GitHub copilot you pay per prompt. More powerful models can do a lot more work (consuming a lot more tokens) per prompt. Also, they tend to use more thinking tokens.
johndough12 hours ago
> More powerful models can do a lot more work (consuming a lot more tokens) per prompt.
That is not my experience. Each model since at least GPT-4 can fill up an entire context window. In fact, more powerful models can solve tasks faster, so their ratio of multiplier to API price should decrease, not increase.
For example, Claude Sonnet 4.6 has a multiplier of 9 and an API price of $15, which is 0.6 multiplier per dollar.
Claude Opus 4.7 has an API price of $25, so it should have a multiplier of 25 * 0.6 = 15 when extrapolating from Sonnet, but the multiplier is 27.
> Also, they tend to use more thinking tokens.
That might be it. Is there any data on this somewhere?
youwangd2 hours ago
Show HN timing matters more than people think. Monday-Thursday, 9-11am Pacific, is when the front page has the most engaged readers. Weekend posts get less competition but also less engagement.
rvnx18 hours ago
One theory of the play of SpaceX might do if everyone migrates to query-based billing:
Provide cheap and unlimited access to Grok for programmers (hence the Cursor partnership/purchase for distribution).
-> This would drag massive revenue right before the IPO announcement, like if the company is super growing
-> At a loss, but don't worry, we need these funds to build the biggest datacenter of the universe.
This announcement would create enough momentum to increase valuation, and because of the merge of his companies, would save his X/Twitter investors from a tragedy.
-> Would also be a great service to Cursor investors and so, who are stuck with their VSCode fork
AntiUSAbah16 hours ago
They probably want the training data. Otherwise these 60B don't make sense at all.
But they can't buy curser before their IPO so thats that?
Perhaps they have to much compute because Musk overpromised and Twittergroq doesn't need that much compute after he nerved the porn stuff?
minimaxir18 hours ago
It takes longer to build a datacenter with that much capacity than it does for the market to respond.
hgoel12 hours ago
I think they're going to have to do a lot to overcome the Musk and Grok poison. Even ChatGPT hasn't had as many lapses as Grok has had.
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gigiogigione17 hours ago
I don’t get the SpaceX reference. I thought they made rockets?
victorbjorklund16 hours ago
Nobody is paying for Elons xAI so he used SpaceX to buy xAI to fund it.
sethops110 hours ago
Under the pretense that SpaceX will be used to launch material into space to build space data centers.
vizzier17 hours ago
They now also own xAI
0xffff215 hours ago
Which in turn owns Twitter. SpaceX is now a social media company in addition to a rocket company.
One theory I think Matt Levine posited, is that SpaceX will go public with dual-class stock that gives Elon control even with a minority ownership stake, and will subsequently buy Tesla, which doesn't have dual class stock, making SpaceX the singular "Elon Musk company", with him having operational control despite being public.
lioeters13 hours ago
That theory aligns with Elon's long-held dream of X as the "Everything Company".
Ballas3 hours ago
Then he'll rebrand SpaceX to " X" (a space followed by an X).
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joelthelion4 hours ago
Can't wait for people to migrate to open tools (opencode/openrouter). This will unlock a lot of innovation.
(I know openrouter is not open, but it allows competition and should be easily replaceable if needed)
mkhalil14 hours ago
Why would folks be better paying 5.5% fee to OpenRouter ("Open") if most people just use one or two providers? Just use the provider's API.
djeastm11 hours ago
The routing automatically routes you to other inference providers (for the same model) if/when the original provider goes down.
It's a convenience cost, for sure, but it's not valueless in a fast-moving world. Certainly if you're comfortable with one provider and it's cheaper, do that.
sally_glance4 hours ago
For me the largest value-add is the unified API. Being able to instantly start trialling a new model with zero code changes is well worth 5%. The other part is not having to deal with billing for multiple platforms.
minimaxir18 hours ago
What's annoying is that it's obvious. In the case of GPT 5.5, if Copilot is going to charge 7.5x what GPT 5.4 costs while OpenAI themselves via the API/Codex only charges 2x of what GPT 5.4 costs, that will immediately raise an eyebrow.
boothby18 hours ago
To anybody who's been watching the tech sector with a critical eye for pretty much any period from the late 90s and onward, this is just the enshittification process. For most of OpenAI's existence it's been obvious, to me, that investors were burning insane levels of capital to build the market, and now that folks are locked in, you're seeing higher fees, ads, etc. Yet again, the user is the product; the investors want to siphon your data, attention and once you're hooked, money. And for companies like Microsoft and Apple, those hooks can dig deep.
Ekaros4 hours ago
Let's call it for what it is dumping. Dumping things on market below cost of production. This should not have ever been allowed. RnD costs I can accept somehow. But in this case the interference should have always been billed for the real costs that it took to produce and pay off the capex.
Incipient18 hours ago
I'd call it a straight up "bait and switch".
BearOso16 hours ago
If you paid attention to the power requirements and amount of hardware being put into data centers, you should have realized that it cost them an order of magnitude more than you were being charged. To rework your analogy: they hooked you, now they're gonna see if they can reel you in.
AntiUSAbah16 hours ago
They can only reel you in if its worth it. I still can code.
And while i do not spend 200$ privat, in my startup we discussed this and our current mental model is, that instead of hiring someone new, we prefer to have more money for tokens.
This is easier for us and has a bigger benefit. The cost of a new / first employee is very high, a 200$ subscription is not. Upgrading that to lets say 400 or 800$ is still alot easier and if i can run multiply and better agents with that money, lets goooo.
boothby16 hours ago
I'm looking at education -- teachers and students, not terribly tech savvy, are being mandated to use these tools. And then comes the rug-pull. It was worth it, but now it's outside of their budget. Poorer schools / students can't stay at the cutting edge; richer schools / students can.
AntiUSAbah13 hours ago
You still get far with 20$ if you don't use it daily for lots of coding and thinking though.
And Gemma 4 and other open models can easily be hosted even for schools.
jochem916 hours ago
Oh, I thought it was opium.
Gagarin191717 hours ago
“Enshitification” is just when unsustainable subsidies end?
Another reason to hate that word.
From a different perspective, you were granted an incredible gift from the companies who let you use their product on their dime. Hopefully you made the most of it when you had the opportunity.
boothby16 hours ago
No, it's much more than that. It starts with unsustainable subsidies, as Uber undermined the taxi industry with a ludicrous burn rate. And then, once everybody's hooked to the point that they can't imagine life without the product, you raise costs. And you iterate: raising costs, lowering quality, selling data, increasing addictiveness. Until everybody wants to get rid of it, hates every aspect of it, but is still hooked to the core product. I'm personally not using these tools, not using uber or Meta products. But I'm still using some Google products and it's hard to extricate them from my life now that I'm using them.
Gagarin191710 hours ago
> No, it's much more than that.
Okay then this AI stuff isn’t an example of that even under your definition.
itemize1237 hours ago
unless the 5.4 price is a huge loss leader for them
recitedropper16 hours ago
Everyone seems to believe OpenRouter isn't subsidizing but, until they publish audited financials, I personally doubt it.
deaux16 hours ago
OpenRouter doesn't even have hardware. What are they possibly subsidizing? The platform costs?
OpenRouter is guaranteed to be about the highest margin operator in the business right now. Everyone wishes they'd be them, skimming 5% off as the middleman without any OpEx.
ValentineC12 hours ago
> OpenRouter is guaranteed to be about the highest margin operator in the business right now. Everyone wishes they'd be them, skimming 5% off as the middleman without any OpEx.
The 5% fee probably has to factor in Stripe's fees, which would be around 3% to 4% depending on whether it's an international card.
recitedropper15 hours ago
Streaming, caching, and tool calling can get pretty expensive with scale, even when you don't touch inference. Maybe they're doing something clever and are quite profitable.. or maybe they've already taken $40mm from VCs and are currently trying to raise $120mm at a 1.3B evaluation.
They also show headline prices for the cheapest provider of whatever model, but then need to hit different backends some of which may be more expensive. For now they absorb those costs, but the VCs always come knocking.
Just my opinion though. Totally agreed that they have one of the best positions amongst all AI providers from a financial standpoint.
vanviegen14 hours ago
> They also show headline prices for the cheapest provider of whatever model, but then need to hit different backends some of which may be more expensive. For now they absorb those costs, [..]
They do?? I was under the impression I was just playing the price for whatever provider they deemed 'best' for each completion.
recitedropper14 hours ago
That is what I had heard.
Checking now: The way they describe it in their FAQ is that if the price changes, then they will bill you the new price. But I read that as regarding if the primary model provider changes their headline token cost; not in the case of pricing differences for models that have many different backends that host them.
Regardless, I would be more concerned about the streaming costs if the service continues to blow up and they scale aggressively through VC investments. If their 5.5% skim accounted for what they needed, you'd think they could effectively grow organically..
Mattwmaster5817 hours ago
FYI, these are the multipliers for annual plan. I would hazard a guess most people are not on an annual plan
mitjam13 hours ago
I am and I see it as stopping the music at a party when you want everyone to go home without telling them to go home. There is also the offer to quit with prorated refund for the remaining time. I think I am going to take it.
themafia13 hours ago
We can't even get slop delivery worked out. So use SlopAggregator instead.
2ndorderthought12 hours ago
I don't know if it's just me but copilot kind of sucks. I've been running local models with like 9b parameters and they are about as good if not better. Obviously there's no integrations or whatever and I get most people are probably paying for that than anything else but eh. Big no thanks from me.
whateveracct18 hours ago
"eras" tend to not be so short lol
siva717 hours ago
That's so unfair to us hard working developers. A month ago i could buy for .4$ a turn with Sonnet. Now i have to pay at least .9$ for this turn. Weeks ago i could buy for .12$ an Opus turn after they already raised prices and now they want .27$ from me for the same product! They are stealing from us!
asdfasgasdgasdg17 hours ago
They aren't stealing from us, for several reasons. First of all, it's a voluntary transaction. If you don't like the prices, use something else. Or don't use AI at all.
Second, you have no idea what their costs are. It is most likely that they are simply passing on their costs to you. If that was not the setup, users would just go to another service provider who was providing tokens at a cheaper rate. It's not like there is a dearth of competitors in this business.
croes17 hours ago
The already stole when they trained their models on the data.
Now they just increase the price to buy it back
Ilaurens18 hours ago
"Your plan pricing is unchanged: Copilot Pro remains $10/month and Pro+ remains $39/month, and each includes $10 and $39 in monthly AI Credits, respectively."
If there's no discount on credits (in terms of tokens per dollar) over other providers, I'm going to switch to a PAYG provider. If there's a month where there's little to no coding I can pocket the 10$. What incentive do they give to stay with this plan?
Someone123418 hours ago
Yep.
Or if you're a business with multiple seats, these plans may be more inefficient than raw API usage billing. Since if anyone at your organization fails to utilize their full $19/39 allotment each month, that's wasting money, whereas with API credits it is 100% utilized.
I don't think they've thought through the implications of this. Everyone should cancel and go usage-based billing with caps.
to11mtm18 hours ago
They do address this in the doc, Orgs can now (although it was vague as to whether it was an option or just the new standard, probably option due to business contracts) 'pool' the Usage billing across all users.
I'm guessing they did that (and the 'temporary bonus credits') to make the pill easier to swallow for that side of customers.
Someone123417 hours ago
You're right, I missed that.
It still does make one wonder, why have seats at all though? If everyone is just in one big API credit pool - what do the seats/users accomplish?
easton15 hours ago
It forces you to pay at least $20 in tokens per user even for people who use less (they probably have stats on how many people use just autocomplete, which doesn’t count against the quota. or have a seat and don’t use the service at all).
to11mtm12 hours ago
You can get at least at baseline vague stats but from what I have seen it is more account than user focused, i.e. 'X number of users used %feature%' and/or '%model% was X percent of requests per day'.
That said it's worth noting, I don't see how anything they expose will reliably help orgs plan costing from what AFAIK is in fact a big shift for billing/costing planning.
> It forces you to pay at least $20
For better or worse that's public pricing, i.e. if you are coming in also negotiating VS for devs, windows/office licenses for the rest of the business and stuff like Azure Devops... a lot of their stuff gets cheaper if your company's IT procurement group is vaguely competent at negotiating. Not even talking bigcorp here I'm talking 500-1000 employee range.
Of course, very small orgs will suffer, but it does tie in with the theme over the last two weeks; anyone with a personal account is basically subsidizing the credits for the business accounts during the transition period.
Mattwmaster5817 hours ago
For orgs, each user was allotted their own quota. For messages beyond that quota, a pooled budget is available.
DominikPeters18 hours ago
They mention in the announcement that it will be possible to pool usage across an organization.
freedomben18 hours ago
This was my first thought too. "Oh cool, I should be seeing lower prices" as I don't use Co-pilot that often anymore. But no, that's not the case. It rather served to remind me that I should probably just cancel.
stetrain18 hours ago
They could add rollover balances and be back to cell phone plans in the early 2000s.
kalleboo6 hours ago
Only if we also get unlimited nights & weekends.
joegibbs11 hours ago
$39 of credits at API costs is useless too, what are you going to do there, a single hour of coding? One half of a feature per month?
polski-g6 hours ago
That's enough for 4 days of programming if you use GLM5.
cush18 hours ago
Are you thinking something like rollover plans?
99990000099918 hours ago
Well.
Just got an email from GitHub saying they'll be raising prices for Co Pilot.
"To keep up with the way you use Copilot, we're transitioning to usage-based billing, and we want to give you enough time to prepare."
Man, it was fun. Having my tokens subsidized by Microsoft. If the prices go up to much I guess I'll try Deepseek again.
cedws17 hours ago
Seems like a strong signal the money burning party is coming to a close. Nearly all AI companies have tightened their belts in the past month. Anthropic removed Claude Code from the Pro plan, Z.AI increased their prices, GitHub removed some Claude models from Copilot, now this.
Also, Opus 4.7 seems like a model more intended to save Anthropic money than push the bar.
pythonaut_1615 hours ago
> Seems like a strong signal the money burning party is coming to a close.
One provider who was undercutting the market with non-standard billing model moving to a more standard billing and prices doesn't seem like that strong of a signal, other than that Copilot was underpriced.
I don't disagree with your other points though.
ThunderSizzle2 hours ago
It was the only clear model from a user's perspective. Sure, a request may not perform as expected, or end earlier than desired, but it was an agreed to cost that was clear on both sides: 1 enter press in a prompt window = 1 request.
If they wanted to limit what a request can do via their harness, I'm sure they artificially could.
I hate all of the other plans I've seen of here a "credit" or here's a "bucket of usage", and we pull an announced amount from it based on arbitrary info that can't be audited or proven, and most of shat is spent might be entirely useless anyway.
Claude Code has a problem where 1 request could take a significant portion of your 5 hour window, and it's unclear why.
It's much like SEO, where Google sometimes says things that might help, but it's just magic wand eaving hoping something works.
linhns17 hours ago
I believe Anthropic added CC back to the pro plan.
jLaForest16 hours ago
the point is that they tipped their hand about where they want to go in the future. They are just A B testing to see how much it pissed off their customers
Computer011 hours ago
Now they just removed Opus.
jeroenhd4 hours ago
I signed up over the weekend and still have access to Opus. I believe the AB test they were doing only removed Opus from a small percentage of users.
Don't think I'll be renewing though. The usage limits are low enough that I don't think this is worth it. One complex prompt while Americans are awake will wipe out your alloted tokens it seems.
0xffff217 hours ago
>Opus 4.7 seems like a model more intended to save Anthropic money than push the bar.
How so? By all accounts I've read so far it uses more tokens overall for roughly the same results.
kdheiwns17 hours ago
If you're delivering the same results and charging the customer more/letting the customer use the product less, that's saving the company money.
brokensegue14 hours ago
Their variable cost is (basically) the number of tokens. They increased that. I don't get how that saves them money
captainbland15 hours ago
Yeah, honestly it feels like this came faster than I was expecting. I thought we'd see another few years of reeling in with too-good-to-be-true prices to really lock in dependency but it feels like most companies have kind of a lot of wiggle room to back out of this still
0xffff217 hours ago
Link to the announcement for anyone else like me who hasn't gotten the email yet: https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/github-copilo...
Not really sure why I would stick with Copilot after this, and increasing Sonnet from 1x to 9x for annual subscribers is highway fucking robbery. Very glad I didn't commit myself to an annual plan.
99990000099916 hours ago
> Alternatively, they may convert to a monthly paid plan before their annual plan expires, and we will provide prorated credits for the remaining value of their annual plan.
I don’t understand if this means they’re providing actual refunds or not. For them to straight up go back on their word this had to have been a major cost they didn’t exactly expect.
Save us Deepseek!
I don’t need the world’s greatest programmer for the types of vibe coding projects I actually build.
However, if compute keeps going up in cost, hiring skilled people who know how to utilize it becomes more important. This might save the tech economy.
malfist17 hours ago
What does that mean? That copilot users can use 1/9th of their prior usage of Sonnet?
0xffff216 hours ago
Contrary to the other reply, I'm going to say yes, that's exactly what it means. For Github Copilot users with annual plans that are grandfathered in to per-prompt rather than per-token pricing, Github is increasing the cost of Sonnet from 1 "premium request" per Sonnet prompt to 9, thus meaning that those users will be able to submit 1/9th the number of prompts per month before incurring additional usage charges. For all practical purposes, this is a straightforward 9x increase in price.
moontear16 hours ago
Not quite. Premium models have different type of multipliers applied. The multiplier decides how many PRUs (premium request units or tokens) are used. These PRUs are replaced with different units with this announcement but the methodology remains the same: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/copilot-...
Sometimes the multiplier increase is significant like for Claude Opus 4.6 from 3x to 27x (https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...), meaning using that model will use up a lot more „tokens“ (whatever the new word for it is)
jadbox9 hours ago
Dang, Gemini 3 Pro also jumped: 1->6
drumttocs817 hours ago
It's amazing how much I was able to build for $40/mo- something that would have taken a team of 100 twice the time just a few years ago.
Will always be grateful for the greed of trillion dollar corporations that subsidized me.
c-hendricks16 hours ago
I'm starting to see comments like this in a new light after using some primarily AI-coded apps the past few weeks. They are a lot like apps that were built by hundreds of developers/product people over years and years, in the worst ways.
Inconsistent design patterns from page to page, half baked features, inconsistent documentation (but BOY is there ever a lot of it!), NIH ui component libraries that don't act like you'd expect. All that fun stuff.
It's like they speedran the worst parts of enterprise apps.
satvikpendem15 hours ago
True but they wouldn't have existed otherwise. If they're end user apps, users generally don't care about the code because they never see it.
c-hendricks15 hours ago
Right, but the woes I mentioned don't actually mention code, it mentions the parts end users do interact with.
matheusmoreira15 hours ago
I made so much progress on my personal projects, I actually regret not subscribing sooner. I've been coding alone for over a decade. It's been great having a coding buddy for a change. I'm actually going to miss it.
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dang16 hours ago
(This was originally posted to Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921248, but in a perhaps-futile effort to keep the discussions partitioned, Maxwell's demon will move it to the Copilot pricing thread.)
hakunin16 hours ago
Everybody who says it's a 5-9-27x seems to not be aware of the obvious loophole. More like 50x increase. You were able to use over $500 worth of Opus on a $10/mo Github plan easily, no hacks. You could just prompt "plan this out for me, don't stop until fully planned, don't ask any questions", and you would get ~$5 worth of planning in one 3x request. At 100 requests/mo, each easily reaching $5, that's easy $500 worth of tokens.
fomoz15 hours ago
Bingo. I created a few autonomous skills that did exactly that for plan review, implementation, and branch review, review autonomously until green.
I was using 100M+ tokens per day, $250 per day or so and only paying $160 per month to GitHub.
I cancelled my GHCP sub and switched to Codex last week, so far so good but I miss Gemini 3.1 Pro for UI work.
nonfamous11 hours ago
And this, right here, is why none of us can have nice, cheap things.
4gotunameagain5 hours ago
So, silicon valley decides to use their playbook of expand at all costs by burning money to acquire the market (like a carcinoma), and it is the users fault ?
Should we be blamed about uber destroying the taxi business, or airbnb the hotel one? Oh sorry, "disrupting".
Uber was dirt cheap, now it is the same price as taxis, and the people working for it (the "partners", not employees) have no social benefits.
Airbnb was cheap and humane, now it is THE cause for housing crises and massive residential property "investment".
The playbook of silicon valley is destructive, not disruptive.
It is by design aimed towards wealth accumulation. The ones with most money can capture the market, and make even more. It really is late stage capitalism.
And the more wealth inequality there is, the more pain, poverty and instability will be as well. AI will only exacerbate this.
self_awareness2 hours ago
Uber and Airbnb are not autonomous robots.
If people wouldn't use their services, nothing would happen. They would just go bankrupt.
So yeah, I'd say it's entirely people's fault. Because people just wanted to use their services without thinking what they're causing.
Customers who think only about themselves and noone else.
missingdaysan hour ago
> Customers who think only about themselves and noone else.
When was this ever different? And do you expect it to ever change?
4gotunameagainan hour ago
I disagree completely. You cannot expect every consumer to be fully educated and aware of the consequences of their purchasing power.
This is the role of legislation, educated experts creating policies so that you don't have to do business analysis before making a purchase.
Would I pay 10x the price for tokens and be outcompeted by other companies, hoping that openAI will go out of business ? This is entirely unrealistic.
hakunin15 hours ago
Yeah it was crazy. Nowadays I use pi with OpenAI GPT 5.4/5.5, which to me seems both better and more generous than Claude. I supplement it with OpenCode Zen to get access to a bunch of models at token cost, and OpenCode Go ($10/mo) to get subscription-style access to Kimi, GLM and friends.
bryanhogan15 hours ago
What is pi?
hakunin15 hours ago
The minimalistic harness famous for having a tiny system prompt (avoids context pollution), and being what underlies openclaw. (https://pi.dev)
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johndough12 hours ago
That was not my experience. When I tried to use Opus for longer tasks with Copilot, it would fill up the context completely and then crash without any output, while still consuming premium requests. (At least from September 2025 to January this year. Haven't tried after that.)
bubbab7 hours ago
Copilot has improved immensely in 2026. I'd say to give it a try again if you're up for it. It works about as well as Claude Code these days in my experience.
johndough2 hours ago
Unfortunately, Opus was removed from the student plan in March. So far, I had been happy with GPT-5.3-Codex, but that model seems to have been removed this morning.
hakunin12 hours ago
On pi coding agent, it worked very well for me over the past few months, but started glitching more recently, just prior to this announcement.
self_awareness2 hours ago
This might be Pi being buggy as heck.
When using opencode or copilot CLI, the error messages are displayed normally and it's possible to see what's going on. Under Pi, it sometimes just hangs, or Pi crashes with some bun stacktrace and that's it.
Copilot has introduced additional limits for Claude models in past month, and it's rather easy to hit it. Pi often doesn't show anything when this limit hits (although sometimes it shows the error, I guess it depends on Pi version).
Squarex16 hours ago
Even more so, questions and user answers from agents were not charged as separate requests.
SeriousM15 hours ago
And when you make your harness ask you for next steps in a tool call, the journey continues forever, yeehaa
krzyk3 hours ago
Yeah, people learned.
I created a 4 subagents that polled for new tasks, and restart after ~5h.
It was a great run.
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mohsen114 hours ago
This was my solution to very very though compiler tests that would take sometime up to 4 hours to figure out. Some of the time would be spent on running the tests, but still... I was burning so much tokens. I have free Copilot for my open source work so I wasn't even paying the $20.
this is the project that I am working on https://github.com/mohsen1/tsz
pojzon16 hours ago
I did many 1h+ sessions of agent asking questions, delegating to subagents - all for 1 premium request.
I would say its a x1000 increase in price for agentic workflows.
NSPG91111 hours ago
exactly why i loved Github Copilot, you could pull of these shenanigans, and nothing would ever happen. That was the best part of it
but now, you get literally nothing
4ndrewl18 hours ago
"Plan prices aren’t changing.”
Isn't this like saying "The Porsche you rented at $200/mo is now a Honda. But the price hasn't changed!"
canada_dry18 hours ago
This may be a more accurate analogy... "The Porsche you rented at $200/mo now only allows you a maximum of 100km of travel. You will be automatically charged extra when you go over that."
parliament3216 hours ago
A whopping 100km per month for the low price of $199.99!*
* with a quota of 138 meters per hour, overage charges may apply
adgjlsfhk117 hours ago
more like 100m
larschdk17 hours ago
On top of being worth less, the subscriber discounts are gone.
The old plans were $0.033/request for Pro, $0.026/request for Pro+ and $0.04/request for pay-as-you-go. That discount is now gone. They even still advertise "5x the number of requests" for Pro+ over Pro.
SomeUserName432an hour ago
Having rented cars a lot, this is actually quite common.
tsanzer14 minutes ago
What country, I haven't seen anything but unlimited miles for over a decade.
Hamuko16 hours ago
Yeah, if I go to a petrol station with 50€, but only get a tenth of the amount of petrol I got last week, I may think that the price has in fact changed.
Waterluvian18 hours ago
"Your monthly fee isn't changing but it now only covers about 3 days of driving."
predkambrij14 hours ago
More like, The Porsche you had for a month you'll now have for 5 min only.
croes17 hours ago
More like, the rising gas prices aren’t a problem, I only ever fill up for $40
deeviant18 hours ago
It's more like saying, "and you may now only use the Porsche for 5 minutes out of every day."
dayjaby16 hours ago
Full brake on the autobahn if you hit your 5min limit
KoftaBob14 hours ago
It’s technically true that the plan prices haven’t changed, it’s just the value you get from those plans has plummeted. It’s classic deceptive sales language.
pphysch15 hours ago
They are now charging per gallon instead of a flat rate per trip
guzfip18 hours ago
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sefrost18 hours ago
I was curious why a company would still use the VS Code + Copilot sidebar method for coding, rather than something like Claude Code. Turns out there’s a GitHub Copilot CLI!
I thought I was pretty familiar with available options, but no one in my circles ever mentions this product. It doesn’t seem to have much mindshare.
Has anyone used it? What’s your experience?
0xffff215 hours ago
I'm curious about the opposite: Why would anyone use the CLI when, at least with Copilot, the VSCode plugin is super tightly integrated with VSCode, meaning the agent can see everything I can see. There's no mismatch in linter calls where I can see a lint in the ide that the agent can't find for example. I've had this problem even using CC in their VSCode extension, so I can't imagine it's not an issue in the CLI as well.
What's actually better in the CLI?
sz4kerto14 hours ago
We need sandboxing for any agent, so we run it within Docker - so we use CLI.
0xffff214 hours ago
I use vscode with containers extensively. Not sure why containers imply CLI.
nqzero8 hours ago
do you run vscode in the container ? if so, can you share your config ?
i've been trying to do this with systemd-nspawn
chris_money2025 minutes ago
Easiest way to do it would be enable ssh in container and then use VSCode ssh extension. Your host VSCode “becomes” your container VSCode.
I run it natively on my rocky8 container with UI sometimes but usually just do ssh
nl8 hours ago
I use the Claude Code VSCode plugin for 80% of my work.
I prefer it because I can look at the code (although not as often anymore) and config (very often!) easily.
It also lets me jump to previous conversations easily.
There are a few cases where the CLI makes sense. One big one is if you are running multiple simultaneous sessions on a remote server using Tmux to have them preconfigured when you reconnect is nice.
Bun in general I don't see the benefit either.
krzyk3 hours ago
You can look at the code in editor or IDE even when CLI agent is doing work.
I do that when I want to, but for me using agents in IDE is like looking with one eye covered.
Austizzle17 hours ago
The vs code integration is pretty slick. I can copy and paste function names into the prompt and it automatically turns them into these `#sym:` reference objects that I presume populate the context window with metadata about the function and where it lives. It knows what file I'm currently looking at as I jump around in the code, and that automatically gets loaded into the context. I can also drag and drop folders or specific files for context into the sidebar.
It's a lot of stuff that makes me have to type less into the prompt, since it's already getting so much info from my editor
data-ottawa16 hours ago
I’m actually trying to move back from the Claude Code style, I feel like it’s easy to become distant from your own code, and I am feeling uncomfortable with that.
I’ve “vibe-coded” some projects and when I start to find issues or go to refactor them I don’t have that memory of why decisions were made, because many decisions were never made.
zmj13 hours ago
Yeah, I've been using it heavily at work since the beginning of January (and have a personal Anthropic sub to compare to). Copilot CLI is pretty good, honestly. Most new features in Claude Code get cloned by Copilot CLI within a couple weeks. Claude models seem mildly more clumsy in that harness than the one they're trained on - subjective guess around 20% more turns for an equivalent task - but it's not a noticeable difference in the final output.
saratogacx18 hours ago
I've used it quite a bit. There are a lot of AI terminal coding products and this is another one. It works well, handles sub-agents without issue and does a reasonable job operating in the Copilot ecosystem. It handles mid-task questions and such we well.
sefrost18 hours ago
I’ve tried OpenCode, Claude Code and Codex CLI. But was just shocked that Microsoft has a version I hadn’t even heard of.
Personally I got CLI fatigue and am happy with Conductor for now, but things are moving fast in this space.
everfrustrated17 hours ago
The naming is bad. VS Code Copilot Chat.
But its a really good UI for agentic coding. Not sure why more people don't use it. I've tried the others and keep coming back to Copilot chat. It's a really good tool. Which is why the rugpull on pricing is so concerning.
KronisLV18 hours ago
> I was curious why a company would still use the VS Code + Copilot sidebar method for coding, rather than something like Claude Code.
I use Claude Code, but I kept my Copilot subscription around mostly for really cheap usage of other models when I need to try a different one (which appears to be ending, in a sense) and also the autocomplete in Visual Studio Code which was really great across a bunch of files, I could make changes in one file and then just tab through some others.
I wonder what other good autocomplete is out there.
baby_souffle15 hours ago
> also the autocomplete in Visual Studio Code which was really great across a bunch of files <...> I wonder what other good autocomplete is out there.
I am in the same boat. I tried looking for tab/auto-complete implementations ~ a year ago and it was pretty disappointing. If that has changed, would love to know!
referenceo11 hours ago
Windsurf has free unlimited tab complete, I use it as an IDE alongside Claude Code and it works pretty well. I think Google's Antigravity also has free tab complete but no idea if its any good.
tjhei8 hours ago
Cursor (paid) and antigravity (free) come to mind.
brunoborges17 hours ago
The other cool thing is Copilot SDK, so you can build agentic capabilities into apps, or build tools, that leverage the agent harness of the Copilot CLI:
dktp14 hours ago
It's in their ToS to allow using Copilot subscription with OpenCode - https://github.blog/changelog/2026-01-16-github-copilot-now-...
Absolutely the cheapest way to get a lot of tokens through a solid harness for $10/month. Until now
WorldMaker16 hours ago
That's espoused as the big reason for the price increase: most Copilot subscribed developers it seems have moved to "agentic usage" with the CLI and Cloud-based agents.
Which feels a bit like a kick in the pants for me as a developer that was primarily using Copilot for VS Code ghost text and very rarely used the Chat sidebar much less "agentic" tools.
Copilot Pro sort of made sense for my personal account when amortized across a year, but I don't want to "waste" $10/month on credits I won't use most months.
UlisesAC46 hours ago
Liability. I work in a tightly regulated market and I cannot use any service due to be in touch with PII data. If it was my option I would just use OpenCode with deepseek, it is more than enough for the majority of my tasks.
bsdz18 hours ago
I've used it. It's on par with OpenCode imho.
boc17 hours ago
I'm just so confused why people aren't just using ghostty/kitty/terminal.app and claude code. Compared to the other approaches I've tried, it's by far the most effective way to get performance from opus 4.6/4.7
Ronsenshi16 hours ago
I don't know about others, but I use Copilot more often than other apps because of its tight integration with the VS Code itself where I still spend most of my time working on other things while letting AI do some task that I decided to delegate to it.
gavmor12 hours ago
claude/gemini/crush inside of agent-of-empires inside of ghostty in one window, and zed in the other for touch-ups.
danbrooks17 hours ago
I tried the VS Code + Copilot sidebar approach a few months ago. It was definitely rough around the edges compared to Cursor/Claude. In our corporate environment, we weren't even able to use frontier models.
junto13 hours ago
Quite honestly I love the GitHub Copilot CLI. I pair it with Squad and it’s awesome.
https://bradygaster.github.io/squad/
If I have the same repo also open in VSCode, it’s also aware of that fact, so you can give it context (a file or selected lines of code).
Merad14 hours ago
I've been using it for a few months because Copilot was the only AI blessed by our corporate overlords. It's not bad, I would say it's about 80% as capable as Claude Code, which I've used extensively on personal projects. However CC was recently approved, and I'm betting that with these changes to Copilot pricing we'll end up dropping it like a hot potato.
on_the_train17 hours ago
Because Copilot is the only thing allowed at our corp
dobroezlo14 hours ago
it's my favourite harness so far
csomar17 hours ago
Search has become so bad that I also struggled to find Claude Code alternative and made my own tight (not editors, not plugins, not agents, strictly similar to Claude Code CLI) list: https://github.com/omarabid/cli-llm-coding
The list is not long but there are quite a few options. Even Grok has its own CLI!
The reality is, even though a CLI prompt looks very simple, it's a very complex piece of software. I personally use Claude Code (with GLM) and anything else I have tried was significantly inferior (with the exception of opencode).
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nickjj18 hours ago
I don't use Copilot or any paid AI but all of this usage-based billing reminds me of cellphones back when you paid per individual text message.
Usage paying for AI is 1000x crazier because you're not even getting a guarantee in the thing you pay for in the end. You have to keep feeding it prompts and hope it gives you the solution you want. You may end up with no expected result yet you are paying for it. At least with texting, you got what you paid for.
I wonder how long it'll be before all AI costs are flat unlimited monthly fees or even free across the board, without compromise.
Latty15 hours ago
I expect in the future we'll find out that someone in the industry was juicing the numbers with fake thinking tokens or something. The whole pricing model of charging you for the tokens it generates while not knowing how much it is going to generate going in has always been pretty crazy.
ThunderSizzle2 hours ago
It reminds of early smart phones when the cell providers pulled away from unlimited data...and then they brought it back in s few years.
I think competition will get fierce. We see many people are attracted to the price stability of GHCP - it became clear what a request could do - the problem is that they didn't match results with cost. It's not clear what a 5 hour usage window in Claude Code can do.
There's no reason the harness couldn't provide a quote on the next request, aside from it takes effort and it would be upfront to the user, creating expectations.
Sohcahtoa8216 hours ago
Yeah, this was my frustration with Suno and Sora. You can burn a lot of credits (not to mention time) generating things that aren't what you wanted.
I don't mind a PAYG model for a simple chat interface. But when it comes to actually producing things, you burn through TONS of tokens creating the wrong output.
benoau9 hours ago
Internet usage when you billed by the hour but your connection was so slow it took a minute plus to load pages lol.
tencentshill14 hours ago
It incentivizes you to do most of that prompting on your own hardware/time, and only feed the final prompt with only necessary context to the big AI in the sky. It might even force you to think about the problems yourself for a bit!
DaiPlusPlus16 hours ago
> I wonder how long it'll be before all AI costs are flat unlimited monthly fees or even free across the board, without compromise.
That's already the case if you can self-host an LLM; you don't even need a mythical H200: gamer-grade GeForce cards can get you a long way there (if this page is to be believed: https://www.runpod.io/gpu-compare/rtx-5090-vs-h200 )
...after RAM prices return to normalcy, of course - and then wait another 2 or 3 generations of GPU development for a 96GB HBM card to hit the streets - and also assuming SotA or cloud-only LLMs don't experience lifestyle-inflation, but I assume they must, because OpenAI/Anthropic/Etc's business-model depends on people paying them to access them, so it's in their interests to make it as difficult as possible to run them locally.
Give it 5 years from now and reassess.
Ballas2 hours ago
That page compares models that easily fit inside the ram on either GPU. The biggest difference comes when one card can fit a model and the other cannot.
simonw18 hours ago
Windsurf made a similar change in March: https://docs.windsurf.com/windsurf/accounts/quota
> In March 2026, Windsurf replaced the credit-based system with a quota-based usage system. Instead of buying and spending credits, your plan now includes a daily and weekly usage allowance that refreshes automatically.
With hindsight, per-request pricing makes no sense at all if an agent can burn a widely varying amount of tokens satisfying that request. These pricing plans were designed before coding agents changed the dynamics of token usage.
Incipient17 hours ago
I wouldn't call it hindsight - I don't think anyone, at any stage, thought running a 10 minute+ sonnet session for 1 premium credit was ever profitable. We all knew it was a loss leader to get people using it.
simonw17 hours ago
It would have been profitable if that premium credit cost more than a negotiated discounted rate with Anthropic. We have no way of knowing if there were negotiated rates though!
computerex15 hours ago
There is no way to make that cost model profitable consistently. If 1 prompt can mean 100's/1000's of requests over hours, and you only pay for that 1 premium prompt, that can never be profitable.
ThunderSizzle2 hours ago
They can engineer the harness to limit the amount it does. When pressing enter, it's be nice to have a "budget" per prompt, much like the model multiplier. When the harness used up the budget, it cleans up and cuts off the work.
But that would entail actual work and effort...and care for user's time and money.
cyanydeez16 hours ago
Guys, you're discussing a house of cards to begin with: No matter how you're paying for the $CURRENTSOTA you're not garunteed that next month what you pay for will be the same.
So, lets do some honest evaluations:
1. The model itself is a non-deterministic engine of work with an unknown value; it's real value is just magic.
2. The business model itself is non-deterministic engine of profit with a known value; whatever the VCs have put into it, _must_ be piulled out. If Ed Zitron's numbers are correct, circa 2030, it's several trillion dollars.
So do some matrix multiplication of non-determinism vs determinism, and realize that the value proposition for _you_ is only going to decrease because #1 can never outpace #2, ensuring enshittification captures a smaller and smaller whale.
We know this. This has been the last 2 decades of money extraction from software. It was ok when it was some 12 year old's parents CC. But now it's you, or your business, that's going to either ben squeeze for value or squeeze out of the market.
And everyones squabbling about the color of the cost. ok
simonw16 hours ago
The problem with assuming that tokens can only get more expensive is that the Chinese open weight LLM firms have dropped models which have a known, fixed price that can never get more expensive (since we can run them on hardware we own).
cyanydeez13 hours ago
Well, I guess we're not discussing the same thing. The cost of cloud tokens are going to go up. They won't ever be cheaper. They're generating far more tokens than my AMD 395+ w/128GB at a much cheaper rate.
I agree though, it can't get cheaper than the cost of hardware it's just without sufficient documentation of the actual costs to run the cloud models, we can't really know what the "true" cost of each token is. I assume there's an economist out there somewhere that could figure it out though. Certainly, the cost should approach at a minimum a open weights model running on a local machine.
I've succesffully got Qwen3-coder-next to loop and generate sufficiently competent code and from what I can tell, the difference between this and the cloth is how quickly the gen happens and perhas how interactive it has to be.
Lihh2717 hours ago
per-request was broken, yeah. but $10 of monthly credits is basically just a prepaid wallet with a reset timer.
born_a_skeptic17 hours ago
I wonder if GitHub (Microsoft) is implicitly betting that enterprise demand is sticky enough to absorb these rates, especially given that Opus 4.6 “fast” was being listed at a 27x multiplier. Maybe they saw enough usage at that price point to conclude the demand is real. Or maybe the strategy is to keep the enterprise customers who can justify it while shedding heavier individual and power-user usage.
The interesting question is how long it takes enterprises to notice the capability/pricing tradeoff, and whether they respond by limiting access to the strongest models internally.
The part that worries me is that this market is still very early. Most developers and organizations are still learning how to use these tools effectively. Raising the experimentation cost this much may slow down the discovery process that makes the tools valuable in the first place.
ramon156an hour ago
yes. even in my province that's relatively behind on tech, at least +-20% were already strongly relying on Microsoft (Azure) and thought adopting Copilot was a no-brainer. That ofcourse comes with autonomous programming, because we're paying for it anyway!
These companies already lost the spark/innovation years ago. They're just using LLM's as a way to survive. Wonder how long that lasts.
koyote11 hours ago
As someone who works in a Microsoft shop with Copilot, I am curious to see what happens.
Due to data governance it will be difficult to move to a different provider.
At the same time, this price hike is so large that the ROI on copilot will be a net negative.
I think what will ultimately happen is that we will not pay Microsoft more than we currently do and we'll simply end up with less AI usage in the company and a reduction in productivity.
datacynic14 hours ago
I also suspect that there are many "slow-moving", Microsoft heavy enterprises but with in-house devs that can't get anything but Copilot approved, and Microsoft trusts this will remain so.
It's not turning consumption based because there are a ton of these licenses just sitting idle.
hightrix14 hours ago
As a single data point, this is absolutely true. At my current "Big Corp", Copilot was immediately approved while Claude is entering month 2 or 3 of trying to get approval.
Additionally, we got copilot for every user, including those that never write code or use AI tools.
NSPG91111 hours ago
Opus 4.6 "Fast" was originally at 10x, literally the same cost as Opus 4.1. After promotion period, it was 30x.
JBlue4217 hours ago
As someone that is on the enterprise side in a non-tech F500 company, what I'm seeing is some FOMO and need to be part of the hype cycle. We're about to plonk a bunch of money on more Copilot licenses. Something got in the water where all the C-levels the past two months are pushing everyone to use AI but when they bring up examples of their uses its like "I use it to rewrite my emails" or prompt 'engineering' ideas that point more to patching over poor processes, data management, and decision-making within the organization or not.
What we're seeing across the board is every software company tossing AI onto their name or sales pitch and no one understanding what that actually means. But we will spend money on it because of FOMO.
I really question if we're reaching the end of the hype cycle to the point. I wish I were brave enough to put money on it. It feels like there was a command from up top to 'do something with AI' and leadership is scambling for some resume-building projects vs doing the hard work they should've done the past two years at a people and process level.
WatchDog8 hours ago
I'm at an org, where every medium to large company meeting talks about AI in similar breathless non-specific terms, yet m365 copilot is the only approved AI chat, and GH copilot the only AI coding tool.
csomar17 hours ago
Subsidies stop when LLMs improvement plateaued (though they still benchmark higher somehow). At some point, you have to make money or at least break even; and I think they concluded that we reached that point.
curtisblaine13 hours ago
I really hope that they think so and that they're wrong and they get burned hard. Them and all the AI labs that lied, stole, inflated, hoarded and tried to justify all this as an existential moment where AGI would radically change society. I hope their calculus to reel in paying users is all wrong and now they all crash and burn instead of recouping VC money.
postalcoder18 hours ago
Github had, by far, the most easily game-able agent usage policy. People would force the agent to run a script before the end of turns that consisted entirely of `input("prompt: ")` so that you could essentially talk endlessly to an agent for the price of a turn. I see this less about the future of this industry and more about fighting the costs incurred by bad actors.
0xffff215 hours ago
I never played any games like that, but simply giving the agent a clear exit criteria and instructions to check the exit criteria every time it thinks it's done on a complex task was often enough to keep it chugging away for most of a day on a single prompt in my experience. Per-prompt pricing just isn't sustainable period, even if everyone is acting in good faith.
Sohcahtoa8216 hours ago
Charging by prompt was always wild to me.
I once asked it to do a comprehensive security review of our code. It churned for nearly an hour (and then produced 90% false positives). Insane that that usage was charged the same amount as me just saying "Hello".
_pdp_18 hours ago
There is noticeable trend across all agentic coding platforms that this situation is no longer sustainable.
With this kind of pricing (sonnet 4.6 has 9x multiplier, previously 1x) it begs the question why use Copilot to begin with.
You could easily just buy the tokens directly and have a lot more choice as well.
sottol18 hours ago
One reason I used it was that I wasn't locked into a single provider and switching them was as easy as changing a drop-down. Small feature? Sonnet or GPT5.4/mini? Large changes? Opus. And why not see how good Raptor Mini does this one refactor?
It also helped build an intuition of what wach model could do and which parts it was weaker at because you could try them almost side by side, especially if one model's output wasn't great.
That said, these were all side projects so nothing truly consequential. Otoh, you might leave some extra perf on the table but I found the models worked quite with the Copilot harness.
Waterluvian18 hours ago
Yeah, this is a very useful abstraction layer. The entire concept of separating the model creator from the model runner is good for competition and is customer friendly. Which means they likely hate the concept and want to kill it.
Gosh, imagine getting to do that with your TV/Streaming subscription. Getting to pay one fee to access some set number of hours per month from any of the providers.
Incipient17 hours ago
The problem is I can't afford the tokens! Even on my $10/mo plan, running either 100 opus, or 300 sonnet agent runs would cost hundreds of dollars - well above my budget!
bsdz18 hours ago
Doesn't GitHub get volume discounting they can pass on to their Copilot customers?
minimaxir18 hours ago
Economics of scale don't work when scale still isn't enough and capacity is still limited.
GitHub has the full power of Azure with their hosted models but it's not being passed to consumers.
vdfs16 hours ago
Economics of scale don't scale
_pdp_18 hours ago
It seems to me more expensive but I might be reading it wrong.
infecto18 hours ago
Looking at their pricing it does not look the case.
ihsw18 hours ago
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try-working11 hours ago
Cancelling. Going with Codex $100, Kimi annual plan, DeepSeek API, and a local LLM once I get a Mac Studio.
Inference economics are going to be brutal in 2026 H2 when DeepSeek's new infra and model improvements come online, and Kimi launches K3. By brutal, I mean for OpenAI and Anthropic.
aitchnyu3 hours ago
What about Minimax? Their api pricing is half of Kimi and Z.ai.
0xffff215 hours ago
So given that I primarily interact with LLM's through VSCode, and I prefer the Copilot interface to the Claude Code plugin, does anyone have any suggestions on other plugins I should try? In my experience, Copilot is much more "plugged in" than any of the other plugins, in the sense that it can see things like linter outputs in VSCode. Basically, copilot "sees what I see" in a way that no other plugin or command line tool can, which make it much more ergonomic to use.
With this pricing change, I see no reason at all to stick with Copilot in principle, but I really need to solve this issue of IDE integration to move on.
daemonologist15 hours ago
You can use Copilot Chat* with basically any API provider, and if you switch to the VS Code Insiders build you can configure it to use literally any OpenAI API-compatible endpoint.
Other than that Zed has a similar experience which is pretty decent.
* By which I mean the good one, whatever it's called now - the part of Copilot that used to be a plugin and is now part of VS Code, not the thing that has always been part of VS Code.
veb15 hours ago
Try Cline, a vscode plugin that's been around since the start and has really active development. You can also use most providers as well.
bryanhogan15 hours ago
Saw this new Cline fork mentioned in another post: https://github.com/dirac-run/dirac
Also heard of more and more people moving to Kilo Code or OpenChamber instead.
polski-g6 hours ago
I tried Openchamber. Far too buggy. Cline seems like the best bet.
herpdyderp15 hours ago
I used to feel exactly like you do, but now I use the Claude CLI exclusively and am very pleased with the results.
0xffff214 hours ago
Could you elaborate on what's better about the CLI?
herpdyderp13 hours ago
Simply the output of the code written. It initially worried me that it was harder to add context (can't select a single line of code in VS Code and automatically attach it, for example), but I've found that the Claude CLI's output is so far superior that it doesn't even need that VS Code context.
kanemcgrath16 hours ago
I liked copilot because I didn't have to think about tokens. I get hung up when having to think about the price of things, and its hard to think about the project at the same time I got to think about token usage like a gas bill. The usage system had its own issues, but having a set amount of requests was a very comfortable way to use a paid AI service.
cyanydeez16 hours ago
Sounds like you're a candidate for a local model. It's kinda nice not caring what the token count means except as to compaction.
brushfoot16 hours ago
Not paying per token? Not sending my code to someone else's servers for inference? That's the stuff of sweet dreams for a stingy, paranoid solopreneur like me.
If I could run a local model comparable to even Sonnet 4.6 without shelling out $50K in hardware, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But all I have is a 32 GB of RAM and an old RTX 4080.
Or am I not up to speed? Are there decent coding models that can run on dev laptops? Not that that's what you were suggesting by recommending a local model, necessarily; just curious.
robertkarl12 hours ago
I am trying to figure this out too... what I am seeing is that the local models like Qwen 3.5 family that fit on hardware like yours handle ambiguity poorly. But are capable of emitting complete apps too.
That, and they have tool use issues.... https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLM/comments/1smzw6s/qwen35_a3...
I would check out the model mentioned in that thread, GGUF unsloth/qwen3.5-35b-a3b on Q4_K_M
frabcus12 hours ago
Qwen 3.6 is out now and a touch better than 3.5.
I'm finding Google's Gemma 4 even better though - seems to hold up the agentic loop better than Qwen.
All will load into 20Gb of VRAM. None are amazing, but they do just about work.
kanemcgrath16 hours ago
I do love using local models when I can, but qwen-35B is the best model I can run, and while its an insanely good local model, it does not compare to the big ones.
deaux15 hours ago
Have you tried the latest Gemma? You might prefer it to Qwen, depending on what you're doing.
kanemcgrath15 hours ago
I did, but in almost everything I tried even qwen3.5 was better, and 3.6 was a huge step up.
deaux8 hours ago
Good to know, did you also try non-coding or is that what you use it for? For tasks unrelated to coding we've generally preferred Gemma.
kanemcgrath4 hours ago
So far I have done coding projects only, but I have some ideas for some non-coding agent projects in the future, so I'll give Gemma another shot
boesboes2 hours ago
After 2 months of using copilot pro, they've charged us 22$ in premium requests for my user, i spend roughly 1900$ in tokens, going of the on-demand pricing. This is estimated to be around 40-60% of real costs. They are undercharging by a factor 50 to 90!
This is just the start of the rug-pull
ianhxuan hour ago
It's almost impossible to afford the usage-based pricing as a heavy user with multiple max and pro subscriptions. Seems like a bet that same-capability inference will keep getting cheaper on something like a Moore's law curve.
jareds16 hours ago
What's the current situation for coding with Local LLM's on decent hardware? I have an M3 Max with 64 gb of ram and am thinking I should start looking at Ollama and Opencode? Is this a useful stack for smaller personal projects?
speedgoose14 hours ago
It’s getting there. You could give a try with qwen 3.6. It’s worth paying for better models in the cloud, but local models are now better than nothing.
pohl16 hours ago
One nice development recently was ollama's support for MLX optimization on Mac hardware. It's not obvious how to know you're using a model that works with it, yet, so it's rough around the edges.
satvikpendem14 hours ago
Use llama.cpp or better yet Unsloth Studio
deweller18 hours ago
Has anyone found the answer to this yet?
> What is the benefit of using the Copilot Pro+ at 39$/month instead of using the Copilot Pro at 10$/month and paying for extra usage?
bewuethr17 hours ago
Some models, for example Opus 4.7 and GPT 5.5, are only available on Pro+; Pro+ has audit logs and GitHub Spark; that's about it, as far as I can tell from https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-cloud@latest/copilot/g...
Culonavirus11 hours ago
Yes there's no Opus at all on Pro. GPT 5.5 is also missing. Then again what would you expect, the economic reality is beginning to hit. Also I can't be too mad when the "base" models (GPT 5.4...) are still available and decent.
When I see how fast Codex max thinking GPT 5.5 eats our enterprise seat credits almost anything else seems cheap (until we switch our live systems from 5.4 api to 5.5 api I guess)... good thing I'm not the one paying for those credits and tokens (which is probably how most of the money is going to be made on AI going forward, borderline free chatbots for normies are done)
to11mtm17 hours ago
If I had to guess...
On my personal account, Copilot Pro+ still only gave me back Opus 4.7, whereas my work's Pro account still lets me use Opus 4.6.
So, my gut says, it's entirely possible that Pro+ will continue to have more segregation on model availability...
FTA
> Last week, we also rolled out temporary changes to Copilot Individual plans, including Free, Pro, Pro+, and Student, and paused self-serve Copilot Business plan purchases. These were reliability and performance measures as we prepare for the broader transition to usage-based billing. We will loosen usage limits once usage-based billing is in effect.
There's enough weasel wording here that I would expect only certain models get re-enabled on Pro.
e.x. lots of people seem to get good enough results from Opus 4.6, personally I prefer it over 4.7 in GH Copilot... locking that down to Pro+ would be, given this salvo of enshittification, a 'logical' move on their part.
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pauleveritt11 hours ago
You should indeed feel vindicated. Me too, I've been a paid subscriber for months and eagerly read every word. <wink> But yes, I feel like this is the first of several vindications you have coming.
theideaofcoffee15 hours ago
I thought of this as soon as I saw the headline: I hope this is the start. Crossing my fingers to see more line up with your predictions.
barrenko3 hours ago
So it may still be cheaper for us to train junior engineers in the long run.
gyoridavid18 hours ago
After seeing the ridicolous multiplier increase I've added a calendar event to cancel my subscription mid-May.
(I'm a copilot subscriber since 2022)
herpdyderp15 hours ago
Already cancelled here! One less thing tied to GitHub.
alkonautan hour ago
Does this mean that "Let Opus 4.6 churn in a terminal window my whole workday for a fixed price my employer barely notices" was never sustainable?
everfrustrated18 hours ago
Current multipliers vs from June
Opus 4.6 3x -> 27x
Opus 4.7 3x -> 27x
GPT 5.4 1x -> 6x
kristjansson17 hours ago
I think that only applies to held-over users on the annual plan:
> Users on annual Pro or Pro+ plans will remain on their existing plan with premium request-based pricing until their plan expires, however, model multipliers will increase on June 1 (see table).
larschdk17 hours ago
There will surely be corresponding, different AI credit costs for each model.
gpm16 hours ago
"AI credits" are just US cents. The cost per model is here - and it looks like it is just the API providers API cost: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...
cbovis15 hours ago
Kind of. Monthly users moving to an entire different pricing model so we don't really know what the increase in price will be for them.
fud10116 hours ago
Thanks this is helpful. I am on my first month of annual Pro. Should I keep it or cancel it (ask for a refund)?
wspittman16 hours ago
It isn't just the big multiplier increase, they also say "...and no new models or features will be added to annual plans going forward."
Can you imagine ten months from now and you're still rolling Sonnet 4.6?
Cancel/refund is looking pretty good. They're doing refunds until May 20.
"To request a refund, go to Settings → Billing and licensing → Licensing, select Manage subscription, then choose Cancel and refund "subscription". (The phrasing varies slightly depending on your subscription ). This option will be available until May 20."
fud10116 hours ago
Appreciate the info. Have you got a similar opinion of the 'convert to monthly' option they've also provided?
motoboi18 hours ago
Not apples for apples.
Before:
- Opus 4.6 each premium request is 3 premium requests
After:
- Opus 4.6 each dollar spent is 27 dollars in copilot AI Credits.
Given that you'll receive 19 dollars of AI Credits in Business plan, that means you can probably say 1 "hi" to opus per month.
t-sauer17 hours ago
It is an apples for apples comparison since those new multipliers only count if you are on an annual plan in which case the premium request system stays in place until you either cancel and get a refund or until your renewal comes up. https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/usage-ba...
If you are not on an annual plan, multipliers will be gone completely. You can see the rates that apply instead here: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...
kristjansson17 hours ago
Based on the pricing and comparing to competitors e.g. bedrock[1] looks like cache-write will only be on 5 minute TTL.
everfrustrated16 hours ago
Thanks for that link. Oddly the blog post didn't contain any of this information.
alecsm18 hours ago
GPT 5.4mini is even worse, from 0.33x to 6x which is ~18 times more expensive now.
minimaxir18 hours ago
GPT-5.4 and GPT-5.4 mini are now the same price, which, why?
t-sauer17 hours ago
Those multipliers will only apply if you are currently on an annual subscription (and only until your renewal comes up or you cancel). So I assume they simply want to make it as unattractive as possible to get most people to cancel it and move to the token based system.
deaux15 hours ago
That's not an answer. It's specifically a discrepancy between 5.4 and 5.4-mini. If you look at all other models/generations you see that the cheaper model indeed has a lower multiplier. It's very strange that only 5.4 doesn't have this.
rs3813 hours ago
both 5.4 were best bang (-mini even more as I found it usually same well performing!!!) for the buck before. Now they face cost reality it seems.
bachmeier18 hours ago
GPT 4.1 had a multiplier of 0.
giancarlostoro13 hours ago
They're not the only ones in the AI sphere to wind back, but they're the weirdest case in my eyes. Microsoft invests in having engineers building open models and they don't use a single one. I really don't get it.
But what really surprised me most about Copilot is that it would bill you per question, nothing about tokens. So if I managed to produce a prompt that gave me back an insane amount of tokens for something, which using any Claude model would easily accomplish, you were giving me my money's worth, at your own expense. The math is not gonna math out forever.
themafia13 hours ago
> I really don't get it.
One of the largest employers publicly engaging in a project which has the outcome of depressing wages. It's easier to "get" if you don't take the trillion dollar gorilla at face value.
stabbles18 hours ago
I was surprised to find that this sentence
> Plan prices aren’t changing
did not continue with an em-dash followed by something profound that is changing.
Plan prices aren't changing -- the value you get out of it is.
CraigJPerry18 hours ago
The cheapest copilot plan felt totally unsustainable to me. For around £8 month i was getting 100 opus 4.6 prompts (albeit with a reduced context window size around 128k iirc vs 200k to 1m for first party hosted opus). Gpt5.4 was hosted with 400k context iirc.
On top of that, you’ve got 2000minutes of container runtime, so running cloud agents was included. As was anthropic agent sdk mode via copilot which is very comparable with claude code - not identical, the anthropic “modular prompt” is much leaner in the sdk version.
I cant say im mad, i got above what i paid in value. That said, going forward ill probably go back to openrouter payg rather than a subscription.
I got a free 3months of the gemini £19 plan and ive been playing quite a bit, 3.1 pro is a good model, i just find it slow. Flash i think i under appreciated until now.
throwaway858259 hours ago
This marks the beginning of the end of the AI free money era. Next they will dramatically raise prices when they have to be profitable on tokens.
2001zhaozhao7 hours ago
I am seriously considering binge buying local AI inference hardware. The way this is going, there will be another big GPU crunch soon because everyone will need local models and/or open model inference capacity to do their programming tasks when the subsidized subscriptions are no longer flowing.
netule18 hours ago
I pay for Copilot annually, and mostly for its code auto completion features. I use CC if I want to do anything agentic. Not sure if I want to pay more for occasionally-good-intellisense at this point.
KronisLV17 hours ago
Same! I wonder what other alternatives there might be for autocomplete.
vdfs16 hours ago
autocomplete is still unlimited within the subscription, maybe using a free model or even cheaper ones are best value..
netule17 hours ago
If you find out, please let me know!
mil2217 hours ago
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Seblor57116 hours ago
Code completions and Next Edit Suggestions remain free with Copilot Pro.
WorldMaker16 hours ago
But you can no longer amortize annually, which makes it even more a question of "is this worth it this month?" each month. Especially for personal accounts.
WorldMaker16 hours ago
I'm similarly thinking about sticking with the auto-downgrade back to Copilot Free when the annual sub ends and then just yelling about it any months I hit the 2000 completion cap.
I wouldn't mind a plan between Free and Pro that is just "all I care about is code completion and next edit suggestions".
grey-area18 hours ago
How is this legal when people paid for a yearly plan in advance?
bityard18 hours ago
In order to most-to-least charitable, any of:
1. Github could choose to grandfather in those plans and make no changes until those plans expire.
2. Github could offer, or the user could request, a pro-rated refund along with cancellation of the account.
3. Tough luck, those users agreed that Github could unilaterally change the ToS at any time.
asdfasgasdgasdg17 hours ago
Right now there is a cancel and refund button on the Github Copilot annual subscription setting, which I have just pressed.
javawizard17 hours ago
> 1. Github could choose to grandfather in those plans and make no changes until those plans expire.
They explicitly stated that they won't be doing that: the multipliers go into effect in June for everyone, annual plan or not.
boromisp18 hours ago
I doubt you can force them to provide the service with the original terms, but you might be able to ask for a (partial) refund. If not today, after a week of verbal abuse they will receive for this online.
yladiz18 hours ago
It depends where you’re located. In the EU they have to honor the contract you entered, but presumably there is a clause that they can prematurely terminate the contract without cause and give you all of your money back (from the start of the contract).
deaux15 hours ago
In places with reasonable consumer protections (Australia, Germany) it almost certainly is illegal unless they give a full (whole year) refund. I think the short time limit of applying for a refund won't be looked at favorably either. Regardless of their ToS which I'm sure covers this.
But companies do lots of illegal things, and in general nobody takes them to court over it.
mgrund18 hours ago
My thought exactly! First the usage limits + model limitations and now fundamental change to the billing. Hope some consumer watchdogs are looking into this!
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victorbjorklund16 hours ago
100% it says in their terms that they can change the service during the agreement.
q3k15 hours ago
That kind of clause would be void in many places around the world.
For example, the German Civil Code states:
Section 308 - Prohibited clauses with the possibility of valuation
In standard business terms, the following in particular are ineffective:
[...]
4. (Reservation of the right to modify) the agreement of a right of the user [TL note: this means beneficiary of the terms, eg. party or other subject of the contract] to modify the performance promised or deviate from it, unless the agreement of the modification or deviation reasonably can be expected of the other party to the contract when the interests of the user are taken into account;victorbjorklund14 hours ago
Let’s see if German users can enforce it or not.
drawfloat17 hours ago
I just checked and you can cancel with a refund.
dist-epoch18 hours ago
For the yearly plan they only change the model multiplier. And it's in the subscription contract they can change that multiplier at any time.
stego-tech16 hours ago
It begins.
"It" being the end of subsidization of tokens and plans (expected) but while lock-in to foundational models and cloud services is still lacking. Guess investors want their ROI sooner than later, given how big of a wrench the AI boom has thrown into global economics.
0ct02 hours ago
Sample of 1 opinion: Massive downgrade for fun vibecoding on the go. Got done much before the recent rate limits on mobile on fun projects, their product went from fun to bad within a few weeks. And now into oblivion I suppose.
6Az4Mj4D5 hours ago
Anyone paying enterprise billing can you shed some light how on the earth you will be able to fund this bill going forward?
Were you able to see assisted AI coding savings proportional to costs increase now you are going to get?
Companies removed people as AI assisted coding will be cheaper and now coding cost are going up from fixed $X to non-deterministic. The posts by Uber few days back about spending 12 months' worth of money in 4 months tells a lot.
Only path forward seems using Open-source models and many companies don't use Chinese that makes only Mistral one as the option.
ktallett5 hours ago
Surely one path is to return to humans. We can accept that a profit grab to reduce staff numbers to maximise profits, maybe was never the best plan without being in control of the development tool.
deferredgrant11 hours ago
“Base plan pricing isn’t changing” is technically true, but for anyone using the more capable models heavily, this is still a price increase in all the ways that matter. The old abstraction was hiding compute costs; the new one mostly stops pretending.
throwatdem1231111 hours ago
“base price isn’t changing”
Why does everyone care about gas prices I only ever pay $20 for gas?
saratogacx7 hours ago
Shrinkflation
geomcentral16 hours ago
I bought a copilot subscription for some small personal projects at Christmas.
I haven't been able to use my subscription much over the busy spring months, but i'm being charged every month.
I'd be tempted to keep the subscription if usage-based billing meant that i'd save money when i had less time.
But today, after hearing this, i cancelled my subscription.
alecsm18 hours ago
So I guess from now on GH Copilot is only worth it if you want a quality autocomplete in VSCode.
Waterluvian17 hours ago
That was the first thing I turned off in VSCode. Autocomplete for my TypeScript projects was great. And the "AI" suggestions/completions were really getting in the way of me still being the "driver."
0xbadcafebee8 hours ago
GitHub Copilot has been the most expensive LLM subscription on the internet, when it comes to dollars-per-request-limit. Literally any other subscription provides more usage per dollar. https://codeberg.org/mutablecc/calculate-ai-cost/src/branch/...
Jayakumark17 hours ago
Does this mean you can only prompt "Hello" every morning for a month with Opus 4.7 ?
redsaber18 hours ago
some of Github's open source maintainers have lost their free github copilot pro, guess this is really the next step for them to save cost in their infrastructure.
kernalix710 hours ago
Annual Pro+ subscriber here, mostly using it as a fallback when my Claude Max plan hits limits. The request-based pricing was genuinely the appeal, I could spill over from Max into Copilot without thinking about token costs. Going from 3x to 27x on Opus on annual plans is rough. The newer reasoning models with variable thinking budgets probably made per-request pricing untenable in the long run, but the way this lands on existing annual subscribers feels harsh. Going to look into the prorated refund.
heikkilevanto13 hours ago
I started to use github copilot with vscode, but have never been too happy about the system. Over the months I gravitated to much more agentic workstyle, hardly ever editing much code by hand. The vscode IDE was getting more in the way. I had already started to look at OpenCode, and when I found it has a web interface, I was happy to switch over. I use a simple editor (KDE's Kate), or just less to skim through the code and/or a git diff. OpenCode has some free models in it, but I think I will need to get some kind of subscription for a better one. But it won't be copilot any more. The market is moving so fast that I don't know what are the most resonable models, or the most flexible way to set them up so I can switch when prices change yet again.
giancarlostoro13 hours ago
Check out Zed sometime, its pretty decent too.
notsylver12 hours ago
I pay for github copilot solely for completions and use codex for actual agent work. I really wish I could pay like $5/month for just completions or there was a good local alternative for them.
benoau10 hours ago
> Code completions and Next Edit suggestions remain included in all plans and do not consume AI Credits.
This is the VSCode autocomplete stuff right? Really enjoy this.
> Copilot code review will also consume GitHub Actions minutes, in addition to GitHub AI Credits. These minutes are billed at the same per-minute rates as other GitHub Actions workflows.
That sucks.
hrpnk14 hours ago
What's the residual value of Copilot after the changes? For Enterprise plans, even copilot code reviews will be charged at token price + github action minutes for the execution of the review. One can roll one's own reviewer and have it spend the API tokens as well. At least one will be able to select the subset of files for the change set, if needed.
The background agents will also depreciate in value because of their harness that's a black box that's not optimized for token usage at all. Rolling one's own will be a better choice here.
semiquaver18 hours ago
Whose idea was this “premium request” model anyway? If you’re going to invent a new metric used to bill, why not align it with what, even at the time, was a clear underlying cost structure that GitHub actively chose to ignore for a more confusing system.
kingstnap17 hours ago
It made more sense in the ye old days where a request was basically just a chat message in a sidebar and it could also edit code. Then saying someone can use 300 chat messages a month kinda makes sense.
Turns out when a request can spawn tens of subagents and use millions of tokens over many turns of toolcalls then suddenly github copilot has a massive financial problem on their hands.
DominikPeters17 hours ago
This approach started with the “Ask a question about your code” feature, which is more comparable to single chat message with relatively predictable token usage. Now it’s an agent who might work for 30 minutes, read the whole codebase, and write 1000 lines
0xffff215 hours ago
30 minutes lol. I've gotten Opus to work for a full 8 hour day on one prompt.
Waterluvian18 hours ago
I'm not usually a Conspiracy Guy, and the answer is probably `incompetence * tech_debt`. But I think that having sufficient layers of abstraction to any billing model is a useful way to hide the real cost of things. It's why it's done everywhere.
lioeters13 hours ago
In business, if a strategy is making more money, the most direct and usually correct answer is malice, not incompetence.
zihotki14 hours ago
Looks like Microsoft has run out of compute and can't scale it fast enough to serve copilot users and Azure AI Foundry needs, given that the customer base is growing there as well.
bachmeier18 hours ago
I'm happy I invested in local solutions and cutting context to the bone for API providers. Claims about AI being able to fully replace programmers never took into account the long-run equilibrium price of inference.
dist-epoch17 hours ago
Already there are companies paying more for coding tokens than for programmer salaries.
bachmeier16 hours ago
That's my point. They made those decisions without any consideration for the long run, which would have required them to project the cost of AI services years into the future. Obviously management didn't do that and had no way to do that. It made current earnings look good, though, which was enough for them when they made the decision.
dist-epoch16 hours ago
Not sure what your point is, but they are firing lower performing programmers so that the top programmers have more tokens to spend.
xienze17 hours ago
Doesn't necessarily mean that's a good idea.
mrinterweb13 hours ago
I only use copilot for the occasional auto-complete suggestion. I'm betting I could run a lightweight local LLM with llama.cpp to get similar functionality. Maybe this would be a decent replacement https://github.com/TabbyML/tabby
mitjam13 hours ago
I was always curious how they can sustain a request based pricing model when requests can range from tiny to huge with all the modalities GH Copilot offers. Was a steal for agentic coding that turned out to be too good to be true, in the end. Still: Thank you for the ride.
zitterbewegung14 hours ago
I guess this is the "Google App engine" of Vibe coding when google raised pricing of App Engine significantly after being in preview. Doing weird price changes like this when coming out for new services make much more sense than doing this change which will just anger users.
rob16 hours ago
According to `bunx ccusage` I'm easily doing $250-400/day in "real" API costs on my $200/month plan. There's no way everybody else isn't going to do the same thing and completely change the industry again. Both beginner and advanced developers are already hooked on all this stuff and they all know it.
Abby_10117 hours ago
Built credit pricing into my SaaS for AI features and the hardest part wasn't the math, it was that customers can't easily predict their own usage. They underuse and feel cheated, or overuse and churn. Subscriptions hide that volatility from the customer. Usage based pricing makes it their problem, which is honest but harder to sell.
siva717 hours ago
We all knew this from the very beginning but couldn't compete with OpenAI or Anthropic on their subscription-based pricing strategy. It was nuts except for those few corporations burning investor money to keep competition out as long as possible. Now they don't have to hide anymore that subscription pricing won't do it for ai. The pyramid scheme is falling.
metahost18 hours ago
Here goes my Copilot Pro subscription then, reluctantly heading over to Codex CLI since the CC base plan is downright unusable.
gregjw5 hours ago
Time to cancel. Happy to hear about some alternatives.
textech14 hours ago
I'd be fine with it if they can make Sonnet 4.5 unlimited. I haven't personally seen any major differences between 4.6 or any of the other newer models. Claude 4.5 seems to be the right balance and works great for me.
hansmayer3 hours ago
In a way, this is good news. I am expecting to see a lot less of AI-boosters claiming that they are "productive in ways you don't understand", now that they'll have to dish out upwards of a few thousand bucks per month for whatever PoCs they are building. And the excited hired middle managers and CEOs spending other people's money will have to be much more careful about their budget starting June.
hu33 hours ago
Nah, they are moving to DeepSeek v4 Pro which is like Sonnet tier for a fraction of the price.
And DeepSeek V4 Flash is comparable to Gemini Flash at also a fraction of the cost.
These models are just quite chatty from my experience. Only downside.
And DeepSeek is planning to deploy to their own Huawei TPUs, halving their already cheap prices.
sreekanth85016 hours ago
The problem is that people expect to get the output of 100 people with a $20 subscription by spawning multiple agents. This is unrealistic. I'm using 2 codex plus account and able to manage a repo with 265-300k lines of code.
pojzon16 hours ago
The point is - if its the same or more expensive per month than a real human employee - why pay for AI ?
Human retain knowledge, product knowledge, can pick up more work often for the same money. And having many of them means your business wont go down if provider suddenly bumps API pricing.
sreekanth85016 hours ago
How much is the average pay for a junior developer in US? Its definitely much costlier considering PF and other benefits. Just the math. if you use it efficiently it's much cheaper than hiring a permanent staff. You can maintain a lean team and do all the mundane boilerplate coding with AI.
Ronsenshi18 hours ago
Just got an email with this announcement.
I have Copilot Pro that I use occasionally, but not enough to tell how the switch to per use would affect my usage.
Based on description Pro plan users will get $10 in monthly AI Credits, but that seems rather low compared to what you could use same plan until now.
nine_k18 hours ago
> rather low compared to what you could use same plan until now.
That's exactly where the subsidy is being removed.
CrzyLngPwd16 hours ago
In light of this, does anyone have a DGX Spark and use it as a coding agent?
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wvenable17 hours ago
As a Github Copilot user, who mostly just uses chat in the VS Code editor but still burns through my Pro limit every month -- what's the best alternative price to performance? Claude Code?
Gagarin191717 hours ago
I keep hearing that Codex is the best bang for your buck now.
deaux16 hours ago
"Paid for annual? Tough luck, from now on your usage limits are reduced by 89%. You can do 11% of what you paid for. Good luck if you paid annual a month ago!"
And then they have the gall to say
> "The bottom line: Plan prices aren’t changing"
If anyone lives in a place like Germany or Australia and has an annual sub, please take them to court, you're guaranteed to win because you have reasonable consumer protections and their ToS doesn't stand a chance. 9x reduction is unreasonable and the consumer cannot be expected to see this coming.
In case some diehard enshittifier believes that consumers should know better and businesses should be allowed to get away with it, where is the line? 99% reduction? Is that still okay?
If this situation is to be acceptable then it should be regulated as a financial product like stocks, which come with knowledge tests of "do you know you can lose all of your money?". And come with regulatory compliance and all that.
swader99915 hours ago
This reminds me, I have to cancel co-pilot...
notatoad13 hours ago
so what's everybody using to get autocompletions in vscode? i've been using copilot just because $10 is cheap, but i use opencode for everything other than completions.
i tried the continue vscode extension, and it seemed kind of janky. are there better options?
referenceo9 hours ago
Windsurf has free tab complete and has been good for me. Antigravity has free tab complete as well but no idea if its any good
notatoad8 hours ago
I tried antigravity, it worked great for a couple weeks and then Google changed their rate limits and ruined it - I’d get about 3hrs of work before all the ai features just stopped working.
midtake16 hours ago
Soon it will be cheaper to just do it yourself
izzydata13 hours ago
It may already be cheaper if you calculate the hidden cost accumulated by LLM generated tech debt. At least some of it could be avoided by manually doing it better to begin with.
imtringued2 hours ago
I searched for "Show HN" for the first time ever and I got the impression that most of the costs associated with the projects could have been avoided by never starting them to begin with.
"VibeBrowser", "Financial Database API for Vibe Coders" followed by dozens of self feeding AI projects with barely anyone doing anything that isn't related to AI.
throwa3562622 hours ago
Now do the same thing with the office 365 subscriptions.
That is, redact copilot from the bill for customers that dont use it.
Aeroi15 hours ago
from these comments I'm going to make mouse.dev pricing as follows
-BYOK runs are $0 to Mouse, period.
-Hosted runs are billed at provider cost + a published markup.
-We will never invent a unit of billing that isn't denominated in tokens, seconds, or tool calls.
-Credits in the paid category never expire.
conqrr12 hours ago
just cancelled mine. Only reason to have it was I could get a lot more done with a single prompt. No reason why I shouldn't go to the model provider directly instead.
everfrustrated16 hours ago
Why would anyone stay on the Pro+ plan going forward? Pro with openrouter for Opus would be cheaper?
Flundstrom216 hours ago
It was just a matter of time, considering how many Mtok you could consume in just 300 prompts.
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XYen0n7 hours ago
Amp Free provides $10 free credits every day. Unfortunately, new applications have now been closed.
tomaskafka13 hours ago
Well, the free launch for somebody else's money is over.
whatsthatabout16 hours ago
So what's the best alternative now? Openrouter + cline or something else?
slipwalker16 hours ago
i like opencode's zen https://opencode.ai/en/zen with opencode's TUI.
twistedcheeslet18 hours ago
End of an era for predictable costs as a small business. We will refer to these times as ‘the good old days’.
wombatpm17 hours ago
I expect the prices to rise to almost cover the cost savings from layoffs at large companies.
upcoming-sesame14 hours ago
what's the best place to transition to on a company level after this change ? should companies just switch to pay as you go with open router ?
miroljub18 hours ago
This subsidized inference is just a marketing ploy to increase prices and profit.
If common people can have a DIY setup with an open source model cheaper than those behemoths with a scale advantage, it's clear that we have been played.
Time to either self host a Chinese open source model or to just pay the cheap Chinese providers.
gibsonsmog16 hours ago
Yeah, local is clearly the future. Even beyond the cheap Chinese models you can install the apfel[1] stuff if you're on a mac and want a quick available onboard cli option. And I'm sure people will adapt the Flash-MoE[2] integration to be even better soon as well.
[1] https://apfel.franzai.com/ [2] https://github.com/danveloper/flash-moe
ReptileMan18 hours ago
I really don't understand why OpenAI, Anthropic and Microsoft are in competition to see which one of the three will elevate deepseek the most.
dist-epoch18 hours ago
DeepSeek will do the same thing.
Z/Mimo already raised their prices multiple times since the promotional prices at the start of the year.
phainopepla213 hours ago
DeepSeek (and other open weight models) can be served by anyone with the means to do it. All of the big open weight models are available on OpenRouter via commodity providers.
slopinthebag16 hours ago
DeepSeek is actually more expensive than expected ATM due to compute shortage, but they said it would come down in price.
dist-epoch15 hours ago
The compute shortage will be bigger 3 months from now.
ReptileMan11 hours ago
Depends how China scales its semiconductor industry.
herrj18 hours ago
cursor, windsurf, and CC are all already on usage-based models so I guess what really matters is whether Copilot's GitHub integration depth justifies the price per token vs the alternatives
talideon15 hours ago
And so it begins...
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synergy2016 hours ago
haven't touched copilot for one year, this reminds me to cancel, it will take sometime to catch up
speedgoose18 hours ago
So about a month left before cancelling. Got it.
fortran7716 hours ago
I'm not sure I understand this. All I know is now, I pay $39/month (actually less because I paid a year up front), use the agent, mostly on auto--and only choosing a model if it got stuck or in a loop--every day, and haven't hit any limits yet. It seemed to good to be true, after hearing others talk of $300/month bills. I guess it was.
tgrowazay10 hours ago
$10/month was a too good of a deal.
The plan is to normalize spending hundreds/thousands on tokens per month for the productivity you gain.
See Jensen Huang’s comment that every $500k developer should spend at least $250k worth of tokens per year.
insane_dreamer16 hours ago
Glad this was announced because I didn't even realize that our (small) team has been paying $20/month for Github Copilot when none of us are using it, so used the opportunity to cancel CoPilot altogether. I think it was free when I first activated it (this was also before Claude, Codex, Gemini, and while not that great, it was why not), and didn't realize it had switched to paid and bundled with our Github bill, and now per usage.
dude25071118 hours ago
Which one is it:
1. Current models in fact do not solve coding.
2. You can simply wait for a ~year for open-source to catch up and run it locally.
gpm17 hours ago
Re 1: Current models don't solve coding. They are useful tool for it though.
Re 2: Open weight models seem to be less than a year behind proprietary ones, so sure, if you're willing to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on a super computer that you probably don't fully utilize instead of renting time on someone else's super computer for a lot less.
to11mtm18 hours ago
... Once again the Business accounts get all sorts of goodwill [0] and users get the shaft.
[0] - Last weeks changes limited my personal Copilot Pro account but not my Work one
ValentineC17 hours ago
What "goodwill"? It's just more "AI credits" for what will be a shit product in June.
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thinkingtoilet18 hours ago
People need to wake up and stop being surprised by these billing increases. I see it on every update of every model. This was all subsidized by VC and company money. Now they need a return and the prices will keep going up. Be glad that you took advantage of that up until now, but can we stop the pearl clutching when we all know the amount of money being dumped into AI and the lackluster returns?
minimaxir18 hours ago
It's less surprise, but more confusing given the game theory as their competitors are not doing the same thing and the multiplier changes alone will likely churn current users.
p1necone7 hours ago
Their competitors aren't doing the same thing because none of their competitors had the same broken 'pay per request' pricing model.
thinkingtoilet14 hours ago
AI companies are increasing prices across the board.
exidex16 hours ago
"The bottom line" is the new "Its not just X, its Y"
hkon14 hours ago
Github Copilot has for the last week been an absolute shitshow. Clearly something has happened behind the scenes.
AI itself clearly weaker / dumber. Prices increased manyfold.
fridder16 hours ago
aaaand another github outage today. FFS
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silverwind18 hours ago
TLDR: It's a 6-9x price increase
timxtokyo4 hours ago
yes...need to move to api usage, that a huge jump after getting everyone onboard
immanuwell18 hours ago
tldr: people were running multi-hour agentic coding sessions for the same flat fee as a one-liner autocomplete, github was eating the bill, and that party's over on june 1st
WhereIsTheTruth16 hours ago
Still no chips coming from Microslop
Google won