ht-syseng15 hours ago
This is the state equivalent of a human gouging out their own eyes to avoid dealing with the fact that a train is barrelling towards them instead of stepping off the tracks.
samelawrence15 hours ago
Death cults be like...
MisterMower10 hours ago
The data this satellite collects is used to promote climate regulation and legislation. The authors of the article can’t even come up with other ostensible uses for it. Farmers care about carbon dioxide levels? Good one.
The equivalent would be a democrat administration using government force to shut down data collection they don’t like because it will be used to promote policies they don’t want. Kind of like how the Biden admin’s FAA restricted drone use at the southern border during the migrant crisis.
I think the word you’re looking for is “like” instead of “equivalent”.
EdwardDiegoan hour ago
> Farmers care about carbon dioxide levels?
But I thought it was good for plants? You appear to have some cognitive dissonance at play.
justinrubek9 hours ago
No, these are not equivalent scenarios. Not even a little bit similar.
MisterMower8 hours ago
In both scenarios the government is using their power to prevent data collection they don’t like.
How are they not equivalent?
aaomidi8 hours ago
You mean the TFR that was temporary and had exceptions for Fox News? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-faa-places-temporary...
Yes totally stopped gathering data.
MisterMower5 hours ago
Whether or not they were successful in preventing that data from being collected is irrelevant. That set the precedent for this kind of behavior.
lrvick14 hours ago
I am noticing a distinct lack of maga apologists in this thread. I know you are reading. Please, explain why this is a good thing.
dogleash12 hours ago
Calling out political opponents to defend every move of their party, so you can clown on them on the internet? Why bother?
lrvick11 hours ago
No need to clown them. I just want to know if people exist that are willing to even attempt to defend this rationally.
MisterMower9 hours ago
Is the data gained from the programs described in the article worth the $15M per year cost? That’s the real question.
It’s entirely rational to think such an expense is unnecessary, especially if your politics inclines you to believe the data collected by these programs will be used to push for more stringent environmental regulation that you dislike.
Even granting that the data is valuable, is it worth $15M per year? Can it be collected privately? Why does the government need to fund it?
To answer your question, yes, people can defend this action rationally. You don’t even have to be MAGA to do it. We should all want more efficient government.
EdwardDiegoan hour ago
$15M per year is a rounding error in the military budget.
SilverElfin13 hours ago
It’s not a good thing. The only somewhat okay reason to go down this path is if you know you have to cut spending and want to terminate missions safely rather than leaving junk. But this seems like a biased decision for obvious reasons.
Tadpole918113 hours ago
That's not even an okay reason. We know where it is, it's in one piece, it'll last for years even if we do nothing with it.
Destroying it is insane, inexcusable Stalin-esque behavior.
SilverElfin13 hours ago
Yea but you may lose the people, hardware, whatever to remove it from orbit easily. SpaceX designs their satellites to passively deorbit within 5 years to remove the space junk risk. But satellites in higher orbits take much longer.
aaron69510 hours ago
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chrisco2552 hours ago
Because it's a waste of money. You don't need satellites to measure CO2 levels. Ground based measurements work perfectly fine, which is where air is densest. These satellites are supplementary and are fairly imprecise in measuring CO2 as they look at reflected sunlight from the surface. Note that the satellite can't measure through clouds, which is 2/3 of the atmosphere at any given time.
This is a satellite you probably never heard about before but you were moved by an overemotional headline that a journo used to manipulate your pretenses.
EdwardDiegoan hour ago
So... how many ground based CO2 stations are there?
And do they have the same coverage as a satellite?
Also, why do we need weather satellites when ground wx stations work perfectly fine?
rwyinuse13 hours ago
Hopefully China will invest even more into climate science to compensate for his madness. For a while I thought China might lose to America, but now it's clear we're living the age of Chinese golden age. They will win in all sciences, there's no question about it.
chrisco2552 hours ago
This is sensationalist and ridiculous. China consumes more coal than (at a minimum) the next 25 nations combined: https://www.worldometers.info/coal/coal-consumption-by-count...
They don't give a flying care about emissions they are strategically focused on economic expansion and power projection.
aaomidi8 hours ago
China is the only reason I’m not a climate doomer anymore.
chrisco2552 hours ago
Why is that? They emit more than any other country on the planet and they are absolutely bottom tier for air quality in global rankings.
https://www.worldometers.info/coal/coal-consumption-by-count...
piva00an hour ago
They can brute force their way out of it by sheer political will, the transformation to electrify China's traffic, the hyperscaling of PV production, the rollout of high-speed trains were all accomplished in timelines the USA won't ever see in our lifetime since it lacks any political will to do big things anymore.
They are installing more solar than the rest of the world combined, other renewables as well. China doesn't have oil, they don't want to depend on oil or fossil fuels, and the CCP needs to keep some kind of social cohesion by showing off to their citizens that "things are being done".
Air quality over Chinese big cities has improved massively the past 10-15 years, they will only continue doing so, it was popular.
> https://www.worldometers.info/coal/coal-consumption-by-count...
Well, well, well: https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-consumption-by-country...
You probably have never visited China to be able to compare how it was in the 2010s to now, right?
4fterd4rk14 hours ago
I'm starting to think that the most effective form of protest might be to make it clear to the billionaires that we know about their bunkers and they won't be safe in them following a climate cataclysm.
assword14 hours ago
Those bunkers are already defended. Think of them less as a schizo bug-out bunker and more of the castles of the new feudalism.
Their purpose is solely to protect the land/the lord from people with ideas such as yours following the collapse of the empire.
xg1513 hours ago
Even castles have been stormed.
jjk16613 hours ago
By large armies of trained soldiers who invariably suffered disproportionate casualties. Fortifications are very effective for this specific application.
K0balt9 hours ago
Dozers would be very easy to armor up and teleoperate. Send 10 just for good measure.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
hungmung13 hours ago
Salt the land and wait for the rations to run out.
jjk16613 hours ago
The billionaire with a doomsday bunker probably has enough rations to outlast you. It's best not to wait until the doomsday bunker stage to do something about the situation.
K0balt9 hours ago
Breathing is nice.
Ancalagon11 hours ago
best bring out the bunker busters then
pavel_lishin11 hours ago
You have a lot of those in the back of the garage, do you?
jefurii12 hours ago
I wonder how the billionaires are going to prevent their security staff from dispatching them and living in the bunkers themselves.
K0balt9 hours ago
It’s a pretty tough incentive alignment issue. You need the families of the guards to live in the bunker… but then , why wouldn’t one of them just take over?
yongjik13 hours ago
Yet, when Al Gore created _An Inconvenient Truth_ back in 2006 everybody was ready to mock his private jet.
I think billionaires are a distraction. MAGA had no problem talking about "coastal liberals" with their billionaire connections and how they're going to "drain the swamp," and look where it led us.
ujkhsjkdhf23413 hours ago
Distraction from what?
eagleal10 hours ago
Not one of OPs, but it's become common knowledge these days that a real class war has been ongoing for decades, with the final blow likely delivered by Thatcher and Reagan.
The social contract, between the effective ruling and representative classes and the populations they are supposed to serve, seems to have been completely broken.
So you could say everything not pivoting to this point is basically a distraction.
yongjik12 hours ago
Distraction from the fact that there's not going to be a perfect solution that solves the climate without inconveniencing us "common folks."
By advocating for a perfect solution that sticks it to the bad guys, one can put off talking about concrete, actionable plans. Very convenient.
GianFabien9 hours ago
Here's a fantastic chance for a tech mega-billionaire or company to step up to the plate and take on the $15M p.a. commitment to keep the satellite orbiting.
For example, for Google $15M is probably less than they spend on stocking their fridges with fizzy drinks. The PR benefits would be huge and they could probably sell the data to the current users of that info.
wewtyflakes14 hours ago
Don't Look Up
ChrisArchitect15 hours ago
troelsSteegin13 hours ago
They should at least try to sell it. Fine line, though, between leverage and extortion.
insane_dreamer15 hours ago
the stupidity will continue until morale improves
gopher_space14 hours ago
"If I lie to the administration about disabling the satellite I won't have to worry about how this'll play out at Nuremberg."
Mr_Eri_Atlov14 hours ago
What a deeply pathetic path for humanity to end on
K0balt9 hours ago
Most of. That’s the point. Most of.
prpl11 hours ago
Terrible, but predictable, as part of a continued assault on data.
Daishiman15 hours ago
It is _wild_ seeing how the US is deliberately reducing state capacity in every area that would result in improvements to everyone, even the capitalist class it would be supposedly benefiting.
The American Dream looks more and more like being a temperate, humid petrostate.
quantified14 hours ago
By increasing the gap between have and have-not, and making most things shittier (and escape from the shit more costly), the privilege of money increases. Amazing that everyone is so peaceful. One group just takes it all.
Thanks Marc, Peter, Elon, Jeff, Mark!
nitwit00512 hours ago
People have been declaring the American dream dead before any of us were born.
We're suffering from unusually poor governance, but it'll hardly be the first time.
lrvick10 hours ago
We will do a 180 and start walking the other way in 3 years. And then 4 years after that will be back here again. As is tradition.
America never dies, it just walks in circles aimlessly while others march ahead in a mostly straight line laughing at us.
Daishiman8 hours ago
You are drastically underestimating how incompetent this government is compared to all others that preceded it and how deep the loss of expertise hits. You do not recover from lost bureaucratic competence for decades.
ujkhsjkdhf23413 hours ago
These people genuinely believe that superintelligent AI will solve all the problems and all this climate noise is impeding progress.
42luxop11 hours ago
They will sit there in front of a data center like in hitchhikers and will get an answer (maybe it's 43) they don't like or don't understand and the solution will be to build an even bigger machine.