meodai13 days ago
To those not into the mythical vibe: I totally get it. I stumbled onto something that looked good by accident and thought it’d be fun to lean into the mystical theme — especially since there’s no real science or theory behind it (that I know of). Mostly, I just wanted an excuse to build a fun website around it.
And to everyone else — thanks for the kind words, really appreciate it!
Daub13 days ago
> especially since there’s no real science or theory behind it (that I know of).
The literature on hue harmony is fuzzy, but there are a few gems.
Check out Matsuda [1] who tracked the colors of what his female students were wearing, and tried to identify any principles informing their color choice. My criticism of him is that he plotted hue distribution on the RGB color wheel. The RYB wheel would have been a far better choice. His paper is in Japanese, but is summarized in multiple places. Below [2] is a link to 2 pages from a lecture I gave which summarizes his findings.
I'm sure you also know of Kuehni's classic tome on color spaces [3]. A fun and informative read.
There has been no research on hue antagonism (which is the idea that underpins complementary pairs). This is crazy, as it would be a very easy subject to investigate. To me it is obvious that there is a special relationship between antagonistic pairs above the fact that they mix to neutral. Supporting this is the fact that Leondro DaVinci documented this relationship even before hue circle was invented [4]!
As for the mystical dimension of color harmony... this has been assumed since the dawn of color science. Newton himself believed that there was seven colors in his hue circle for no other reason than this was a spiritually significant value [5]. Itten [6], Goethe [7] and Kandinsky [8] all absolutely believed in the spiritual dimension of color. Personally, I believe that their work has had nothing but a destructive impact on how artists and designers use color. It is wildly inconsistent, vague and often plain wrong.
[1] Matsuda: Color Design. Asakura Shoten (in Japanese). (1995)
[2] https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4ac93etjyg0z5y2ouq5ge/matsuda...
[3] Kuehni, R.: Color Space and its Divisions: Color Order from Antiquity to the Present. Wiley-Interscience, Hoboken (2003)
[4] Leonardo da Vinci, Trans. J. F. Rigaud, A Treatise on Painting (London: J.B. Nichols & Son, 1835).
[5] Matt Chamings “Why are there seven colours in a rainbow?” New Scientist, Last Word, 2021.
[6] Johannes Itten, The Art of Color: The Subjective Experience and Objective Rationale of Color (New York: Reinhold Publishing Corporation, 1961).
[7] J. W. v. Goethe, Goethe's Colour Theory, Trans. C. L. Eastlake (London: John Murray, 1840).
[8] Wassily Kandinsky, Trans. Michael Sadler, Concerning the spiritual in art (Penguin UK, 2024), p. 59.
meodai13 days ago
My process was honestly a lot of: “oh, that looks good.” That’s what I meant by “not backed by science” — I didn’t even try to base it on color theory. Thanks so much for the treasure trove of references — can’t wait to sink my teeth into it!
gnulinux13 days ago
I love the "old internet" vibe with the new internet look. I think it's a very creative idea, I wouldn't mind the haters too too much. I love it!
fc417fc80213 days ago
It's a neat tool but some usability feedback. With third party JS disabled the failure mode is a blank window if any of 3 core domains are blocked. I'm accustomed to a bit of breakage given how I do things but catastrophic failure when any single item is missing makes it needlessly difficult to debug.
creata12 days ago
Hi OP. I don't know if you'll see this, but the 300 weight text is hard to read on a regular (96ppi) screen. If you're interested, you can use the `resolution` CSS media query to increase the font weight on just low-density devices.
meodai11 days ago
thanks for letting me know
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laughingcurve13 days ago
Great work and a wonderful presentation
noufalibrahim13 days ago
Indeed. I really like the aesthetics of the site. Clean but retains a character of its own.
nemomarx13 days ago
>"poline" is an enigmatic color palette generator, that harnesses the mystical witchcraft of polar coordinates. Its methodology, defying conventional color science, is steeped in the esoteric knowledge of the early 20th century. This magical technology defies explanation, drawing lines between anchors to produce visually striking and otherworldly palettes. It is an indispensable tool for the modern generative sorcerer, and a delight for the eye
I'm not totally sure I understand this intro - what's different here compared to normal color science palette makers?
I do like the visual presentation and animation a lot though.
SkyBelow13 days ago
It feels a bit satirical or otherwise done for fun, especially with sections like the following.
"And thus, the tome of "poline" has been written. Its mystical powers, steeped in the arcane knowledge of the ancients, now reside within these pages. May this compendium serve you in your quest for the ultimate color palette."
Either way, I wasn't expecting to encounter Poe's law inside a color palette maker.
caseyohara13 days ago
What don't you understand? It defies conventional color science and is steeped in the esoteric knowledge of the early 20th century.
It is a very nice palette generator, but I really dislike all the talk of magic/mysticism/sorcery/witchcraft. It's a dang color generator, ease up on the dungeon master language.
epiccoleman13 days ago
on the other hand, i like the "theme" - i'm a sucker for that mix of "wizardry" metaphor with programming stuff.
I'm reminded for instance of this fun little post:
nemomarx13 days ago
It feels a little bit ai generated there, or maybe just padded out marketing copy - more adjectives and superlatives than I'd expect from a technical site at least. Telling you how to call it to get a "mesmerizing" palette for example
I can handle some purple mysticism prose but I did want like a comparison of a few palettes from this polar system vs some traditional plane ones. If the creator reads this thread that's my note
macrocosmos13 days ago
It defies explanation. This is followed up by an explantation.
cardiffspaceman13 days ago
Defied unsuccessfully.
qmmmur13 days ago
Why do you feel so strongly that someone shouldn't invent a tool/doohickey/fun experience that isn't purely based around being a utility? The creator of this isn't taking away from the plethora of already available "conventional colour science" orientated tools.
nemomarx11 days ago
I don't feel strongly about that at all? I was saying I didn't understand from the description what's actually different between this tool and the conventional ones and I wanted some information there about that. A compare / contrast example would have worked nicely.
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humanfromearth913 days ago
It's enigmatic, hence you don't understand.
sram133713 days ago
There's no science behind it. You're reading ai generated text.
My guess is the prompt was something like this:
"describe a color palette generating tool that uses the magic of polar coordinates to make pretty color palettes"
haiku207713 days ago
It's not AI generated; it's a joke by the creator, as explained here a couple of years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34665584
hinterlands13 days ago
It is AI-generated. I'm sure the author provided the prompt and liked the result, but it is the output of an LLM.
throw1092013 days ago
Evidence for this claim that you're making with absolute certainty?
bunnyhero12 days ago
Evidence from the author: https://x.com/meodai/status/1614612166325272579
throw1092012 days ago
Excellent, this is what I was looking for, thank you.
xboxnolifes13 days ago
This is HN, if the writing is not complete deadpan with a complete lack of whimsy, followed by a list of citations, it's AI generated.
throw1092013 days ago
Ok, so you are both lying about multiple things (the fact that it's AI generated and the way that people interact on HN) and blatantly breaking the HN guidelines. Got it.
eagle2com13 days ago
That read like sarcasm to me tbh, your parent post.
nemomarx13 days ago
Ah, thanks for the cite!
throw1092013 days ago
Source for this claim?
bunnyhero12 days ago
sram133712 days ago
nice find
altairprime13 days ago
Previously on HN (2 years ago) with creator’s replies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34662722
jonathaneunice13 days ago
It's cool.
Though I am unsure if I am a sufficiently modern generative sorcerer to appreciate its eldritch, enigmatic nature.
pseudocomposer13 days ago
Super cool! If the author/creator happens to be reading, I’d suggest that, when the user is at the top of the page (ie on first load), the default demo wheel’s should animate between a few different curves. At first glance (before scrolling down), it looks somewhat primitive, and less interesting than it really is.
onli13 days ago
Doesn't seem to work on Firefox - I tried with adblocker and tracking protection disabled. Console complains:
Uncaught SyntaxError: The requested module 'https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/highlight.js/11.7.0/e...' doesn't provide an export named: 'default'
jansan13 days ago
Works on my Firefox on Windows.
The website is awesome, however, I am not sure if the palettes are very useful.
PaulHoule13 days ago
Or rather, they're ugly.
basisword13 days ago
Nice. Hard to generate an unpleasant palette with this at all.
__MatrixMan__13 days ago
I'd like to configure my editor to use something like this to generate a unique color palette for the syntax highlighting for each project so that if I have files from multiple projects open at the same time they look different. Maybe base it on a hash of the git remote.
mock-possum13 days ago
What a fun project! I feel like you really bury the lede in terms of what kinds of palettes are generateable- the first interactive demo at the top of page mostly only makes bruises, but later on your get full on saturated rainbows!
basisword13 days ago
Wow, I didn't even realise you could scroll down! Much more flexible than I first thought.
bogdanoff_213 days ago
I'm impressed by the naming of colors at the very end.
meodai13 days ago
thanks! Collecting them has been my hobby for the past few years: https://github.com/meodai/color-names
ChrisMarshallNY13 days ago
Nicely done, but I'm a bit puzzled by all the alchemical stuff (which, to be fair, is probably the point).
drewbeck13 days ago
On my iPhone the line curves as I move the dots around, but on my laptop (running Arc) the line stays straight. Some bug, or am I missing something?
ETA: okay I can get arcs working by changing the arc settings! Getting different default behavior on the two platforms tho.
rambambram13 days ago
Hats off! I never experienced a colorcombo generator that only turned up good palettes.
kazinator13 days ago
It makes sense. When you have complementary colors in the palette, you need to include more darks so that in your design you can separate the two. This is achieved because the line has pass near the centre.
james_marks13 days ago
This is the most beautiful thing I've seen in a long, long time.
meodai13 days ago
thanks! that means a lot
Teever13 days ago
The favicon updates to match the palette. That's a nice touch.
Asraelite12 days ago
Why /ˈpɔːlaɪn/ and not /ˈpoʊlaɪn/ or /ˈpɑlaɪn/? Seems like an unnatural way to pronounce it, given the spelling.
meodai12 days ago
Polar Lines -> poline
Asraelite12 days ago
"polar" is /ˈpoʊlər/. Did you mean to use /ˈpoʊlaɪn/?
meodai11 days ago
ah nice thanks! il change it
stevenhuang13 days ago
What an obnoxiously unclickable interaction on mobile. A very strange choice of ux for something that insists to be so prominent on my screen that follows my scroll, yet clicking on the palette does nothing.
andyfeliciotti13 days ago
Meodai is the color king! Fantastic tool
kamranjon13 days ago
For those like me who didn't get it at first - make sure to scroll down...
coretx13 days ago
He got me until I read "npm install".
koprocezar13 days ago
Nice one!