HocusLocus16 hours ago
"Fisher Hallur Antoniussen took a photo of it to show crewmates, but it quickly took off after being posted on social media."
I don't blame it, I would have done the same.
tickertickera day ago
The exposed portion of the berg is roughly spherical. The submerged portion must be enormous and approximately symmetrical to hold that sphere in such an upright position.
Frummya day ago
So the tip of the iceberg is just the tip of the iceberg
lucyjojoa day ago
Indeed, that tautology is a true statement.
Retrica day ago
With just one photo we can’t really say if the exposed portion is roughly spherical. However, the guy taking the photo who presumably got a better look seems to think it was “diamond shape.”
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tantalora day ago
Check around it for Super Samples!
jvanderbota day ago
I wish I didn't think this immediately as well.
creaturemachinea day ago
Wait until the Democracy Officer hears of this lack of faith!
trod12344 hours ago
Why would an iceberg be a "he is all black?"
bee_ridera day ago
Do black Labrador icebergs also have webbed feet, to swim better?
bregmaa day ago
No, but golden Labrador icebergs are the friendliest of all the icebergs and can make a great addition to any family.
burnt-resistora day ago
The vet bills and cleaning up after them is really ridiculous.
scoota day ago
Is this just of passing interest, or something that "ists" (scientists, geologists, climatologists etc.) would gain potentially valuable data by taking samples from it?
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morkalorka day ago
Will the icebergs broken off get older and older?
cess11a day ago
As long as we keep pushing CO2 into the atmosphere and don't run out of ice, yeah, most likely.
IncreasePostsa day ago
Wouldn't this melt "quickly" due to solar radiation based on how dark it is? That is to say, I wouldn't it most likely be closer to 100 years old than 100,000 years old?
burnt-resistora day ago
That's for new soot depositing on ordinary, existing glaciers with previously high albedo. That causes a spiraling feedback effect of more forest fires and accelerating glacier melt,
It's probable that these dark glaciers are mostly sludge with only a bit of ice. We won't know until some field researchers go out there and gather data and samples.
malfista day ago
I'm sure you know more about iceburg ages than the professor of oceanography that dated it.
dotancohena day ago
To be fair, the guy who just dated it likey knows the least about it. It's the guy who broke up with it that knows the most.
IncreasePostsa day ago
I was literally asking about the range that the oceanographer provided. I didn't assert anything
marcusverus11 hours ago
This post--which actually engages with the content of the article--is being downvoted, while "Do black Labrador icebergs also have webbed feet, to swim better?" is being upvoted.
Where do we run once the redditification of HN is complete?
dylan604a day ago
After reading, I'm less interested in a black iceberg as much as now wondering what a fish harvester is as it's not a term I've seen before. Have we changed the term to reflect the vast quantities of fish that fisherman is inadequate?
throwup238a day ago
It’s a local quirk of the Canadian fish industry more than anything. DFO uses the phrase in their fishery notices: https://www.nfl.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/en/node/2377
The history page of the local union, they use the phrase “fish harvesters” rather interchangeably with “fishermen”: https://ffaw.ca/about-us/history/
serial_deva day ago
It could be to make fishermen gender neutral, but I think it is to hide the fact that you are essentially killing the fish by the thousands, letting them suffocate. Fish harvesting sounds innocent and PG 13.
ahazred8taa day ago
There's a union or collective bargaining guild that has trademarked the term Professional Fish Harvester in Canada. #PFHCB
tanseydavida day ago
I am guessing that it is a translation artifact.
maxericksona day ago
Seems to be in use in primarily English contexts.
https://www.alaskasafetyalliance.org/explore-careers/maritim...
creaturemachinea day ago
Newfoundland is predominantly English-speaking, so it's unlikely this reporter used anything else when preparing this story.
soperja day ago
>Newfoundland is predominantly English-speaking
That's quite generous of you to say.
margalabargalaa day ago
For anyone wondering, over 98% of Newfoundland's population speaks only English.
dylan604a day ago
Yeah, Newfies speak English just like Scottish speak English. Those words might be English, but it's the phrasing that makes no sense.
Eavolution18 hours ago
Can confirm, I've only ever heard a chain of the word "woof" from a newfie.
mc3301a day ago
What're you at 'der b'y?
grovesNLa day ago
Yes b'y, Newfoundland English is best kind sure.
foostera day ago
Newfoundlanders you mean.
brailsafea day ago
Fairly sure Newfie is broadly used as a colloquial term of endearment in the rest of Canada, by Newfoundlanders and non-Newfoundlanders. There's just too many syllables
creaturemachinea day ago
How about Newfoundland-and-Labradorean? It's funny that the only ones insulted by Newfie are the non-newfies.
foostera day ago
I am a Newfoundlander and I don’t appreciate that term.
foostera day ago
It is not. It is insulting and derogatory. Don’t use it thanks.
brailsafe16 hours ago
While that's not how it's ever been used in my life, I can accept that it's perfectly valid for you and presumably many others to feel differently.
Having grown up with so much predominantly east coast originating comedy, and around so many Newfoundland diaspora, I guess it never occurred to me that there was any real negative connotation whatsoever, beyond poking a bit of fun at some of the presumably antiquated cultural stereotypical differences via self-deprecating jokes that most people from smaller places have their own versions of and don't take too seriously.
tejtma day ago
Curious that.
The English did force the French population out of there and down the Mississippi to become Cajuns.
And the children of the native Abenaki population were sent to English Schools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
soperj11 hours ago
Acadians were in Nova Scotia. There were already a bunch of French in New Orleans/Louisiana. Hence "Louis"iana, new "Orleans", "De-troit" etc. It was all new France.
And the residential schools happened well after the formation of Canada, and a lot of happened at the behest of the Catholic Church (ie: French Canadians). see Vital Grandin.
margalabargalaa day ago
Well sure. Lots of shitty things were done that caused the current state of affairs to come into being.
I was just describing the present day, not defending whatbwas done to create it.
HPsquareda day ago
It makes sense in the context of fish farming. Not sure if that's what this is, though. Harvesting doesn't sound appropriate for catching wild fish.
aerostable_sluga day ago
FWIW, it's a reasonably common euphemism in hunting. Example:
"Deer and elk harvested from certain hunt zones must be tested." https://wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/deer
kkylina day ago
Might one say fish harvesters capture "exponentially more fish"? (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
dan-robertsona day ago
I think it might be a gender-neutral version of fisherman. Not something like a factory ship.
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xeromala day ago
It's a horrible alternative lol
blipverta day ago
Wait until you have to deal with the horror of gender specific icebergs!
“It's not only that he is all black. He is almost ... in a diamond shape”
IncreasePostsa day ago
Fisherman: catches fish
Fish harvester: might catch fish, but might also be the one that cleans/processes them and isn't actually involved in pulling the fish out of the water
NooneAtAll3a day ago
ohhh, I thought it was the boat
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m3kw9a day ago
When are these going on sale in drinks?
trompa day ago
> He guesses the ice in the berg is at least 1,000 years old, but could also be exponentially more ancient — even formed as many as 100,000 years ago.
That's not exponentially more (which would be a preposterous 2^1000 or 10^1000 years old). It's just 100 times more. Should I stop being annoyed at how media use the word and just accept their alternative meaning of "a lot" ?
Scarblaca day ago
It's two numbers. It's a constant increase, you can fit a line between them, but also a degree 10 polynomial or an exponential curve.
Yes, it just means "a lot".
burnt-resistora day ago
High variance/confidence interval. Probably needs some C14 / O18 dating to narrow it down by field researchers gathering samples rather than us speculating from afar.
escapecharactera day ago
I agree, you can also say exponential if there's 4 or more numbers.
jhrmnna day ago
This is how language develops, I’m afraid. But imagine that the age is 10^k where k is something like “age class”. Then indeed the age grows exponentially :)
serial_deva day ago
It still doesn’t grow exponentially, it is just orders of magnitude older.
Possibly, because if I read between the lines, their answer is “huh I dunno”.
parineuma day ago
Orders of magnitude is an exponential measure.
1*10^n
serial_dev18 hours ago
Yes, but where is the growth? They just said that the age of iceberg is 1000 years or maybe older 100.000.
There is no exponential growth there, just someone not having any clue about the iceberg wanting to sound knowledgeable about the subject.
WithinReason19 hours ago
so then every change can be called exponential
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serial_dev18 hours ago
> This chair is 4 years old. Or, maybe 5 years old.
Yeah, exponential growth!!!
SAI_Peregrinusa day ago
1.0116^10000 ≈ 100000
Journalists tend to just think of it as "a lot more", but since they didn't specify the base of the exponential we can at least find a way to make the article technically correct. There are fun classes that admit incomparable values, such as the Surreal games. If they'd said "the game {1 | -1} is exponentially more than { | }" then it'd be impossible to find a base to make the statement true. There's lots of fun to be had with this sort of math, as you know.
mekokaa day ago
If we want to express ourselves using exponents, consider that 1000 years (1×10^3) and 9000 years (9×10^3) would be of the same "degree" of ancestry, while 100,000 years (1×10^5) would be of completely different (exponential) significance.
Frummya day ago
1000^(5/3)=100 000
ghssdsa day ago
1.01158^1000 ~= 100000
Exponentially more!
readthenotes1a day ago
10^2 in exponential form...
At least he didn't say logarithmically more
867-5309a day ago
1000^1⅔=100000
fuzztestera day ago
it's not only the media.
it's just a figure of speech, (used like some people (ab)use "literally"), which I am sure you know, considering your profile, or even otherwise.
other people than the media use it too:
e.g. this Rob Pike post about Go (the programming language, not the game you like):
Less is exponentially more
https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponenti...
pestatijea day ago
any exponential can reasonably be approximated to a linear in the right range
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