tetris11a day ago
Openings are up, salaries and permanent contracts are not.
You will see the same job postings by the same companies being listed on LinkedIn again and again, spaced maybe months apart.
Either the postings are not real and people are projecting growth, or the jobs become temporary contracts, or they laugh at you if you ask them to match your current salary.
It's also not good news for entry-level techies, since the requirements are still steep.
You either have to lie you through your arse, or take a paycut to get these jobs.
breckenedgea day ago
I suspect there’s also a lot of “keeping the candidate pipeline warm” in case there is suddenly an opening that needs to be filled.
rgavuliaka day ago
UK has pretty bad tech salaries especially for companies located in London and adjusting for living costs.
grues-dinnera day ago
It's amazing there are any engineers or programmers at at all in the UK. When a graduate engineering post is commonly in the region of 25k to 30k, one wonders why anyone would actually aim to do that rather then finance. Sometimes I ask myself the same question - maybe I should have just sold out and I'd be rocking a million-plus detached house like my classmates!
It's also a bit depressing to think that there are posts so near what I started at 15 years ago (mid-low 20s), despite 54% inflation over that period, per the BoE calculator (another claims 64%).
rgavuliaka day ago
I live in Central-Eastern Europe and every time a recruiter tried to get me to move to the UK, the salary was at best on par with what I made over here. Granted, up until recently I've worked remotely for US and other EU countries.
ifwintercoa day ago
There's a big difference between working in 'actual' engineering (civils, mech eng etc.) and programming/software 'engineering'.
In the former you're right, salaries are terrible compared to how highly skilled the job is and how much education you need.
For the latter, it's definitely not Silicon Valley, but relative to most white collar jobs software engineering still pays fairly well. Definitely a second tier job behind finance (and finance adjacent roles like top tier legal stuff), but not bad, and often with much better hours/WLB than finance or law which can still be fairly brutal
heavenlybluea day ago
I don't understand, what do you mean by "sell out"? You are working for cash
jfengela day ago
Anecdote to back that up: I caught a BBC podcast this morning, about native vs immigrate skilled workers, which suggested that £50,000 ($68k US) was an ordinary salary for a software developer in the UK.
That's better than the median UK salary, but not exactly a huge draw. The average in the US is six figures.
The methodologies that produce those numbers are always dubious so I wouldn't take that as definitive. But it does support your assertion that UK tech salaries aren't great, at least compared to the US.
ahartmetza day ago
Salaries are higher than in Berlin, cost of living is much higher. Or used to be, Berlin is catching up. Also in salaries - it is not clear if it will end up better or worse than London tbh.
cedws13 hours ago
UK is bad, but Japan salaries are worse.
dyl000a day ago
It seems we’re much more fortunate in the UK with our tech openings. I’m hearing it’s a bloodbath in the US, best of luck to you all.
nasmorna day ago
Europe just never saw an equivalent hiring spree. The mag7 and other big SV companies hiring during the pandemic was historically unprecedented. Google basically doubled in 3 years.
That to me still seems like the much harder to explain event compared to the recent firings
jpgvma day ago
Deep AI/math talent pool. Also a sizeable chunk of HW/FPGA folk too. Given the salary difference vs the bay area I'm surprised more AI focused companies haven't setup London satellite offices.
lotsofpulpa day ago
Job openings are a meaningless measure, especially with all the spam postings (and spam job applicants).
Changes in median (or even better, quintile/decile) pay is the only meaningful metric. Preferably from paystubs or tax returns.