adityaathalye6 days ago
Hah, trust nolen to 1,000x something :))) I have used similar tactics in the past, but separately and definitely not in one day! For the interested:
- Bad Matrix (tput blocks to the terminal): https://www.evalapply.org/posts/bad-matrix/
- Animating Text Art in Javascript (print text into fixed grid, flipbook-style): https://www.evalapply.org/posts/animate-text-art-javascript/...
- oxo (format and print tic-tac-toe board to terminal, so I can regex-match for win/loss/draw results): https://github.com/adityaathalye/oxo/blob/7681e75edaeec5aa1f...
But, I mean, that Bad Apple takes the cake!
(edit: add missing link)
DiggyJohnson6 days ago
Ahaha `oxo` is an unhinged project to actually execute. Thanks for sharing all of these projects.
Brb forking and integrating ascii-text third party ads
adityaathalye5 days ago
Thank you for the kind appreciation. ascii-text third party ads adds a whole commercial dimension... Now, to make it really 21st century, someone can replace the "randumb" computer player with an LLM adversary :)
jordigh6 days ago
The tech demo that really made me fall in love with Bad Apple was getting it to run on the NES.
https://somethingnerdy.com/downloads/
Here it is running from my Everdrive.
https://inversethought.com/jordi/video/badapple.mp4
Yes, with full audio. It's about one gigabyte of data. On a system where the typical game size is no more than a couple hundred kilobytes, and your CPU only has three 8-bit registers for you to do any calculation with.
junon6 days ago
Very cool. Having done a bit of NES dev I can imagine this wasn't super straightforward to make performant for the graphics, given you can typically only have a few sprites on a row before the NES starts to 'dissolve' them (not sure the term).
I wonder if it's using the background tile map for this instead of sprites, though that's also an impressive amount of graphics bandwidth.
> with full audio playback rate (44.2kHz)
The audio being so clear is also impressive, is that something that the card extends? IIRC the PCM channel on the NES isn't anywhere near that bitrate, and is also 8-bit sample size.
Dylan168076 days ago
The channel can either play back delta-modulation samples from memory, or you can directly set the output as a 7 bit value.
So by burning a lot of CPU cycles, you can keep up a perfectly good sample rate using the latter method.
godd25 days ago
The bitrate of the PCM is determined based on how quickly you can write a byte to the register. The fastest you could write general data is once every 6 cycles, which gives ~298 MHz of sample rate, so 44.2 kHz is easily doable if that's all you want to do with the CPU.
junon4 days ago
Do you mean 298 KHz? I thought the 6502 on the NES was slightly over 1MHz
godd25 days ago
> I wonder if it's using the background tile map for this instead of sprites
Yes, it's all background tiles being loaded continuously from the SD card. We created the tiles with a custom tile de-maker.
junon4 days ago
Very cool, thanks for the info :)
Wii26 days ago
Depending on what aspects of that you enjoyed, you might also enjoy this similar Bad Apple implementation on the NES. With the extra challenge of it being done through ACE in Super Mario Bros. and all data being streamed in through the controller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfG8DbxFibY
They also made an accompanying breakdown video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa0u1CjGtEQ
eieio6 days ago
This is really neat - did you do any kind of writeup on it? I’d love to read it if you did.
jordigh6 days ago
It's not my work. I'm just a script kitty.
There are some details in the description and comments here.
panzi6 days ago
That is glorious!
rav6 days ago
Regarding the Vim macro that ends by going to the next line to be "replayable": You can also use the following command to run the macro once per line:
:%norm @qeieio6 days ago
oh wow, TIL, I'm pretty surprised I didn't know this trick!
back when I was vim golfing the normal solution was to make the macro recursive. So you'd record your macro, and you'd end it with '+@q' (move to next line and run the macro again). Then you run the macro once and it runs over every line.
This ends up being really efficient in terms of keystrokes but in practice I think it's hard to think about and not very ergonomic, so I don't end up using it much. But it's a fun trick for golfing.
rav6 days ago
There's also the no-macro solution where you just use ":%norm [series of keystrokes]" to run the given keystrokes on each line, but that comes with the added difficulty of not giving any visual feedback of what the keystrokes will do before you submit the entire line.
One thing to keep in mind is that ":%norm" will place the cursor at the start of each line, before any indentation, whereas the trick of ending the macro with "+" will place the cursor at the start of each line after the indentation. But this can be worked around with ":%norm ^@q", using ^ to skip indentation before running macro q on each line.
Izkata6 days ago
Related to that, macros are just recorded into normal registers. You can get it out with:
"qp
"qddrav5 days ago
Heads up - you should use "qD instead of "qdd to avoid an extra newline at the end of the register contents. (In fact the current Vim 9.1.954 behavior seems a bit odd in that it moves the cursor down, but not to the start of the line, as if j is pressed... Seems like a bug to me.)
Izkata5 days ago
And D goes from cursor to end of line instead of the whole line. Wasn't sure how complicated I wanted the description to be.
cryptonector6 days ago
Most often when I run a macro it's to change lines matching searches, so I just start the macro with the search (or `n` if the macro doesn't do additional searches) then I end the macro with `@q` (or whatever register), then execute the macro. I don't think I've ever had occasion to run a macro on every line, though I've had occasion to run macros over line ranges (but still, all matching a specific pattern).
rav5 days ago
To run a macro on the start of each line matching your search, you can use:
:g//norm @q
You can also restrict it to just the matches inside a range of lines: First select the lines in visual mode, then type :g//norm @q, which will cause Vim to insert a range before g, as in: :'<,'>g//norm @q, which means "between line '< and '>, find lines containing a match of the most recent search, and run @q on each such line".
cryptonector5 days ago
Thanks!
PaulHoule6 days ago
These were on sale last month
https://us.govee.com/products/govee-curtain-lights
and my understanding is that you can upload an animated GIF to it... I just added making a "bad apple" GIF for it to my Kanban board though I don't know how much memory the device has and how well I can get it to work.
(Sometimes that part where Remmy Scarlet spreads her wings still makes chills go down my spine)
nokeya6 days ago
Someone definitely need to shoot Bad Apple using a kanban board!
PaulHoule6 days ago
Another project on my Kanban board is a plan to big spread of Touhou characters linked with QR codes. Here's a prototype card
https://bsky.app/profile/up-8.bsky.social/post/3lbqfh7pesc2x
and the spreads I make are like
https://bsky.app/profile/up-8.bsky.social/post/3latxcwmkpk2w
I have a list of 20 that I need to fill out a little (somehow I missed Koakuma) and then I have to have my image sorter find a good set of images that fit together stylistically. (A friend of mine was talking about how RA's in dorms would make picture sets for all the rooms, seemed to me Touhou would be the ultimate basis for this)
a_t486 days ago
I've done this with Twinkly lights, but the lights sadly don't have enough memory to run more than a few seconds.
panki276 days ago
I have a GIF of Bad Apple at 64x32, just under 1MB.
Big shout out to https://ezgif.com/ !
nl6 days ago
I have one of these curtain lights and they are great!
krick6 days ago
I never get tired of Bad Apple. The best thing on the internet. And almost every time I get somewhat jealous I didn't come up with that idea myself.
Also, I really like how footnotes are implemented in this blog. I guess I'm gonna steal it.
eieio6 days ago
I stole the footnotes from my very talented friend Jake (https://jakelazaroff.com/), whose work you might have seen on here in the past. Note that they’re sidenotes on large screens but on small ones they swap to inline footnotes that expand when you click on them.
Anyway steal away!!
sltkr6 days ago
For the rectangle minimization problem: your problem seems to differ from the one discussed on StackOverflow in that the SO thread discusses partitioning into non-overlapping rectangles, while your Vim project allows overlap.
I wouldn't be surprised if your problem turns out to be much easier to solve optimally.
rav6 days ago
Actually, from an algorithmic standpoint it's the opposite: the minimum cover problem (where overlap is allowed) is NP-hard whereas the minimum partition problem (where overlap is NOT allowed) has polynomial-time algorithms. "An Algorithm for Covering Polygons with Rectangles" by Franzblau and Kleitman 1984: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82333912.pdf
However, that's of course just an academic tangent - the theoretical results don't necessarily imply that one problem is easier than the other when you're just getting something to work for an afternoon project.
eieio6 days ago
oh this is a really good point! You're totally right, I had completely skipped over the fact that the rectangles were allowed to overlap. I think I'm probably done with this project / I'm pretty happy with the solution as it stands, but I think you're right that this simplifies the problem considerably. Thanks!
vidarh6 days ago
I think my attempt would've been to flood fill to create an ordered list of spans, then use roughly the same method as the Lebesque integral, using the data from the flood fill as the function.
3eb7988a16636 days ago
The parallel candidate solution generator is such a good idea, but it usually takes me a long time to realize I do not need to make the uber algorithm. Just one-more-tweak, and I know that I can make this solution work in all cases!
eieio6 days ago
it's probably my single favorite trick for making a prototype performant enough! I'm delighted every time that it works.
but agree that it can be really hard to take a step back and realize that you can employ it instead of writing something "perfect"
codeguro6 days ago
This is pretty cool! I like the creativity. The games this is based on are pretty good too. Danmaku are hypnotic
29athrowaway6 days ago
The people running Doom or Bad Apple in different unexpected ways are such champs.
There are some really interesting ones, like running Doom on a pregnancy test.
saagarjha6 days ago
Strongly disagree on that one; it was basically Doom on some random microcontroller stuffed into a pregnancy test shell.
jordigh6 days ago
The pregnancy test was the greatest drama to ever hit the r/itrunsdoom community.
29athrowaway6 days ago
Good point
manosyja6 days ago
I remember watching the Soccer World Cup 2006 at work. I logged in my home server via ssh and could watch it in the terminal. Not enough bandwidth for something else.
lupire6 days ago
As the author admits, it's Vim but it's not regexes. It's "searching" for screen coordinates.
It's drawing in Vim, but not pattern matching.
panzi6 days ago
This is amazing! Also made me write my own version for the terminal using legacy symbols for computing:
perpetualchange7 days ago
Roughly how long did that take?
eieio7 days ago
Hi! I'm the author.
Like jchw said, this was a single-day project (although I did the writeup for it the next day).
I went from 0-prototype in one sitting; I think that was around four or five hours of work? Then I went home, had dinner, and spent maybe three hours optimizing and cleaning it up.
edit: I should say, i have done a lot of dumb things like this and I'm pretty sure it would have been at least a week of work for me 2 years ago. "making the computer do dumb stuff" is a skill like any other!
perpetualchange7 days ago
Thanks for taking the time to respond, pretty impressive stuff!
panzi6 days ago
Doing that in a single day is impressive. Took me two days to do my much simpler version that just prints it using Unicode symbols for legacy computing.
jchw7 days ago
From the article:
> I didn’t have the time to find a good general-purpose algorithm: I was working on this the night before weekly presentations at the Recurse Center and I wanted to present it the next day!
...
> I built this in a single day
No estimate of hours, though.
perpetualchange7 days ago
My browser was apparently bugged, and it didn't show the article the first time... I see it now and am going through it. Thanks for mentioning! :)
sharyphil5 days ago
Awesome. One can never have enough Bad Apples!
GZGavinZhao7 days ago
... this is why we love bad apple!
yeahbutonly7 days ago
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laurentpm6 days ago
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thatxliner6 days ago
Nah what ads in HN is crazy
summeroflove207 days ago
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wistle6 days ago
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codeguro6 days ago
Touhou is just a bullet hell game, relax. Being this upset over it is more a reflection where your mind is at rather than everyone else's.
wistle6 days ago
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fluoridation6 days ago
Can you say what exactly it is that puts it in the genre of lolicon?
codeguro6 days ago
Either you can't distinguish bullet hell games from porn or you're projecting.
saagarjha6 days ago
Seems better than using a literal Playboy centerfold.
wistle6 days ago
Both are objectionable.
saagarjha6 days ago
Ok, but one of them is literal pornography, and one is…clearly you actually know what the word "hentai" is given you have used it in your comment. What part of this is hentai?
wistle6 days ago
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jacoblambda6 days ago
It's not though? It's a music video for a 100% safe for work video game where small sprites of witches and yokai (supernatural entities/spirits) play what is in effect a much more complicated version of space invaders.
There is nothing even remotely close to sexual or NSFW in it.
sososocontext6 days ago
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