packetlost16 hours ago
Oh wow I wish that font was even remotely readable
exhilaration15 hours ago
Yes the crazy sci-fi font is hard to read, but I have to give them props for being unique. I even like the grammatical mistakes, it's so different than the ultra-polished stuff we usually see here. This project has personality!
AceJohnny210 hours ago
"You have personality. That's not necessarily a good personality, but you have some!"
evanjrowley15 hours ago
The code font is more readable than the rest of the website: https://artanis.dev/scheme.html
evilduck8 hours ago
The code font is somewhat more readable but the syntax highlighting color choices then shoot that marginal improvement right in the foot.
dismalaf14 hours ago
Barely. It's extremely annoying that a left parenthesis looks like a capital C.
rietta9 hours ago
Scheme! Now that is some code I have not seen in a long time.
ape414 hours ago
Dot matrix printer that's low in ink
sigio15 hours ago
Good thing there's reader mode, with a nice and large default system font
sourcepluck15 hours ago
Oh, I thought it was quite fun, and still found it easily readable
accrual13 hours ago
Looks amazing with JS turned off!
realo10 hours ago
It looks like the DUNE font:
graemep14 hours ago
That is horrible.
I did not see it at first as I had JS off. Once I allowed JS the font loaded and .. yuck.
metadat11 hours ago
If you zoom in it's pretty cool how each letter is a matrix of squares, but agreed - very challenging and distracting to try and read when the end result looks interlaced.
rcleveng15 hours ago
Agree, had to pop this into chrome devtools to get through the page:
let newStyle = document.createElement('style'); newStyle.innerHTML = 'body { font-family: "Verdana"; background-color: #eee}'; document.head.appendChild(newStyle);
pmontra15 hours ago
I've got a dot matrix printer somewhere in a box that could reprint that site with all the dot lines, if I manage to find it and connect to a computer. I can't remember if it has a serial or parallel port.
UncleOxidant9 hours ago
Oh, that's terrible. There's a reason we don't have dot matrix printers anymore.
initramfs14 hours ago
it would be slightly better if it were black background and green ink
systems13 hours ago
for me zooming out to 67% worked fine
marci9 hours ago
Strangely true.
einpoklum11 hours ago
At first I thought Artanis was a new font! And even reading the text I couldn't shake the impression that they were offering me this weird font with each character cut up by horizontal lines.
When I zoomed in it looks kind of cute. Maybe I should download the Artanis font after all.
slater11 hours ago
I know we're not supposed to go off on website stuff (per guidelines: "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage") but jfc who thought this design was even remotely a good idea?
mindcrime11 hours ago
Somebody who doesn't want the same bland, boring, homogenized look that every other website in the world is using?
Personally I like a site that shows a bit of personality. It's quirky, but for an open source web framework written in Guile, it looks about perfect to me.
viraptor10 hours ago
I agree and it's a fun look. If anyone actually can't read it, the reader mode button is available and works just fine.
zelphirkalt12 hours ago
I don't see any unreadable parts and found it very readable. I guess yet again saved by not downloading random web fonts onto my machine or not running random JS. Yay! Blocking unnecessary traffic for the win!
vvillena12 hours ago
It's definitely a design non-conforming with the current customs, but it's also a fine choice for this type of project. It feels like bland minimalist design has become so prevalent that people are horrified by any deviation from the expected norm. Not everything has to be designed for maximum contrast and readability, sometimes projects require a bit of flair.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF15 hours ago
> it's a web application framework written in Guile Scheme
AdmiralAsshat14 hours ago
> In the beginning, Artanis was largely inspired by Ruby on Rails to generate the scaffold code as possible. And the URL remapping API was inspired by Sinatra, another web framework of Ruby. That's why it's named "Artanis", since it's the revserse of "Sinatra".
And here I thought (and I'm assuming others, based on the cheeky comments) it was named for the Starcraft character.
Chabsff11 hours ago
You're not as wrong as you think you are.
"Have you ever said my name backwards? There is a strange music to it" - Artanis (SC2 LOTV)
sourcepluck15 hours ago
> GNU Artanis is both the official project of GNU operating system, and HardenedLinux community.
In what capacity is Artanis an official project of the HardenedLinux community? I'm curious what this means.
ammanley15 hours ago
The Executor struggles to decipher the font of the document.
NeutralForest16 hours ago
Looks cool but I wish it were available with other package managers than guix :'( It makes a kinda hard to try out just for fun.
CarpaDorada16 hours ago
If you just want to try it out you can compile it from source, see <https://www.gnu.org/software/artanis/manual/manual.html#org3...>.
NeutralForest16 hours ago
I know, not an amazing alternative imo as they're also saying it takes a long time. I just wish I didn't need to be all in into Guix to easily play around with such projects, which aside from that, look really cool.
CarpaDorada14 hours ago
They say it takes a long time to build Guile, the Scheme compiler, not Artanis. I can build guile in less than 2 minutes on my old laptop.
amock6 hours ago
On my POWER9 system it took 45 minutes.
sourcepluck15 hours ago
Did you catch that page there aside from the manual, where they describe how to install it on Ubuntu? https://artanis.dev/blog/build-0.6-ubuntu.html it seems quite detailed, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to get through.
Otherwise, you don't have to change OS to run guix the package manager, it can be installed on a "foreign distro", i.e., on top of Debian, or something else. Details here https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Installation.html
You would then use your "guix" command at the terminal to download any of the 29,253 packages here https://packages.guix.gnu.org/ (or just artanis).
zelphirkalt12 hours ago
You can use guix on any GNU/Linux distro afaik. If you create a guix profile for a project, it should be fairly simple to use that to install artanis. With guix time-machine you can also make reproducible setups, to ensure you can run your stuff years later.
But the most basic use of installing artanis in the default profile should also work.
Where do you see the difficulties installing artanis with guix?
ginko16 hours ago
It's available on AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/artanis (bit outdated though)
NeutralForest16 hours ago
Nice thanks!
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ristos16 hours ago
Nice! is it R7RS compatible? or just specific to Guile?
cassepipe15 hours ago
;; NOTE: I won't encourage using Racket but if you really want,
;; I still give you some hints in this tutorial. But the
;; tutorial will base on Guile and RnRs.
I guess sowhartung13 hours ago
;; NOTE: I won't encourage using Racket but if you really want,
That's two random, unrelated lightweight jabs at Racket I've seen in the past two days.Why does Racket have this "bad" reputation in the Scheme community?
zelphirkalt12 hours ago
Not sure. I could imagine it being because it is no longer a Scheme, or the creators and maintainers do no longer want it to be seen as a Scheme. Or perhaps because it introduces differences not adhering to the Scheme standards and therefore Schemers do not like it.
I liked Racket. I only found it difficult to use multiple cores dynamically with it and its places concept and lifting and multiple Racket VMs and all that. Guile seems easier in that regard. But Racket has typed racket and more advanced macro system ...
fithisux14 hours ago
I love their homepage.
bainganbharta13 hours ago
Perhaps it's time for an eye exam?
f1refly10 hours ago
What's not to like?
sourcepluck7 hours ago
I think it's cool too! People can be so pedestrian when it comes to these things, and so upset when there's a deviation from the norm. Both Artanis' manual and the nice scheme tutorial use interesting fonts and layouts (and clear to read!).
zelias15 hours ago
En Taro Adun!
rubiquity13 hours ago
I'm sure this web framework will have many zealots.
debo_13 hours ago
We know it has at least one arbiter!