Alifatisk3 days ago
I find it faschinating how much Shopify has invested in Ruby / Rails, at what point will Shopify just merge with the Ruby Team?
dismalaf3 days ago
Probably never. DHH wants to keep Rails small enough that a 1 person founder can use it and be productive with it. Shopify is already massive and some of their projects are taking them in a different direction than DHH wants for Rails. For example, Liquid templates (which are intentionally less powerful than ERB since they're designed to be used by Shopify store owners) and Sorbet (DHH hates types).
Onavo2 days ago
Their pet web framework remix is also quite underfunded compared to Next.js
gedy2 days ago
DHH joining won't help that I suspect
ksec2 days ago
> Sorbet (DHH hates types).
I believe Sorbet is from Stripe?
dismalaf2 days ago
Ugh, all the companies that start with S and use Ruby. My bad. Got thrown off because they have Sorbet stuff in Ruby LSP and other Sorbet tools. They have 1.1k Github repos... Lots of TS, Go, Rust and lots of non-Rails things...
fjyasdlkjw2 days ago
I hope this leads to DHH adopting Sorbet into Rails given Shopify has a strong interest in it.
On second thought, It is a large investment for something that isn't a core Ruby feature.
gardenhedge3 days ago
Shopify also owns remix/react router
moomoo112 days ago
Do people still use rails?
deciduouslya day ago
coffeeindex2 days ago
Obviously?
moomoo11a day ago
Hm okay I was curious because I remember how popular rails got around like 2012-2014.
Since then I feel like most people just opt for go/node instead in my experience. Better performance and easier to deploy and scale.
Alifatisk12 hours ago
I would say the hype around Rails has settled since a long time ago, that is maybe why you feel that but now since Rails 8, it is gathering a little bit momentum again.
But you should correlate what the talk of the town is with how much something is being used, it is still heavily used and a good option for startups.
ksec3 days ago
Not sure if DHH gets access to codebase. I hope this help shape future of Ruby Rails. Shopify is many order of magnitude larger than 37Signals and pose many unique challenges. Hopefully this means more stuff gets extracted out into Rails.
matt_s3 days ago
I believe Shopify has core contributors to Ruby and Rails already, I don't think a board position changes much there.
dismalaf3 days ago
Shopify has 1.1k public Github repos... Not sure how you'd integrate that into Rails lol, or why you'd want to. Also the challenges for someone starting a Rails app are different than Shopify.
result2vino3 days ago
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annjose3 days ago
This discussion was fantastic - great flow, no filler words.
I love the passion and fun they were having while talking about the company, business, marketplace incentives, Ruby on Rails and mechanical keyboards! It was fun watching them have fun.