jgrahamc8 hours ago
This doesn't look like a print newspaper. Print newspapers are much denser (in general) and have different headline sizes to emphasize the editor's choice of stories. This looks like a corporate blog home page or something. Some people will like this presentation; I'm pretty happy with HN as it is. But congratulations on shipping!
SoftTalker8 hours ago
For the rest of the news in a more HN-like format (at least at the top level) you might like https://lite.cnn.com/
minkzilla7 hours ago
https://text.npr.org is also a text only version of npr
aegypti6 hours ago
I remember using both this and cnn lite 8 years ago quite a bit right around this time, cool to see they’re still going strong.
Bluecobra7 hours ago
Also this site works great in text browsers like Lynx.
jzombie6 hours ago
Lynx wrapped in Docker:
aurbano4 hours ago
That's a great observation actually! They should've made the design do that automatically based on story ranking
nimbusegaop7 hours ago
Thanks for the feedback! Print newspaper's have curation, which this lacks. I guess the main thing it takes from newspapers is the image and blurb that help give you a preview of the story.
dangoor7 hours ago
There is a form of curation on HN and "editorial judgment" on HN and that's in the points a post has. A closer approximation of a newspaper would be possible by looking at the points of a post and maybe comparing that to other posts and then sizing headlines appropriately based on how "important" the HN community sees a given story.
TheSpiceIsLife3 hours ago
The other form of curation is place on the front page.
That's probably closer to the editors choice in the context of HN.
nimbusegaop7 hours ago
Yes, I agree. I think I will change the design to have a hierarchy.
tessierashpool7 hours ago
this is exactly how my 2009 version (in my previous comment) chose to size and space its headlines
tessierashpool7 hours ago
I agree, but I'm biased. I built basically the same app as OP back in 2009 and it had different headline sizes like a newspaper:
https://github.com/gilesbowkett/hacker_newspaper/blob/master...
I kept it running for 5 or 10 years but eventually let it die.
edit: I'm not hating on OP btw. their version has pics, which mine doesn't. just agreeing that I believe the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format.
lysace7 hours ago
> the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format
Agreed. This is also why old-school print design product catalogs often had superior presentation compared to today's web UIs for browsing hierarchically organized products. Everything is given the same visual weight and is formatted the same way.
Anyway, improving on what you did with the tooling that's easily available in 2024 but wasn't in 2009 seems like a fun challenge.
tessierashpool6 hours ago
yeah, digging up that screenshot (and the repo) really made me realize how primitive this solution was. it was also a very basic implementation of the whole headline sizes concept.
there was an app called Flipboard at the time which did something similar, but for different news sources, although its model of interactivity was a bit more gimmicky than the endless scroll. (which, for all its faults, is really simple and easy to use.)
efilife3 hours ago
Yours is much better, exactly how I envisioned it to be
yaj545 hours ago
are there any good online designs that actually look like a print newspaper, with the features you describe?
I've wanted to take a stab at it because I think it would be "neat" but haven't actually found any good reference implementations.
also seems like with almost everyone on mobile it's just not worth it.
llm_trw4 hours ago
Papers only work because they know exactly what the view portal is and can design the layout relative to that. Unless you have an a3 sized screen this will not work very well online.
11235813213 hours ago
You can achieve some of the proportions with vw and vh units inside the article and column containers. Much of the effect comes from nicely laid out columns more than how many columns wide is your digital broadsheet, so the aesthetic scales okay on smaller screens. On mobile screens it’s just nice-looking individual columns.
2big2fail_474 hours ago
i think the nytimes landing page does a good job at looking and feeling like an analogue newspaper
MichaelZuo8 hours ago
Yeah… it’s really just not plausible at all…
pncnmnp4 hours ago
Looks super neat! I've had a longtime dream of working on a similar project, but I want to make it "Daily Prophet" styled, inspired by the Harry Potter series - https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Daily_Prophet?file=Daily.... With gifs and effects :)
A few years ago, a similar project was posted on HN that I thought was really cool too - E Ink smart screen puts a newspaper on your wall (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323).
All4All6 hours ago
All I get is "Failed to load stories," am I doing something wrong? Is there something I need to configure before things will load?
SamCoding5 hours ago
I just had the same problem and solved it. You have to switch off your adblocker.
All4All5 hours ago
Interesting, yup, looks like it was blocked by the network PiHole.
nimbusegaop7 hours ago
I made this to experiment with embeddings and explore how different ways of displaying information affect your perception.
It gets the top 100 stories, sends their html to GPT-4 to extract the main content (this was not producing good enough results with html parsing) and then gets an embedding using the title and content.
Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
It costs about $10/day to run. I was thinking of offering additional value for a small subscription. Maybe more pages of the newspaper, full story content/comments, a weekly digest or ePub export or something?
gsky14 minutes ago
Why would it cost $10 a day?
It should not cost more than a dollar a day.
Take AWS and azure credits and run it for free for years
ketzo6 hours ago
I think some of the highest value from HN comes from the comments, and it's much harder to find the "best" ones, since they might be in threads you might not have otherwise read.
Not sure if it's a "premium feature" so to speak, but would be very cool to extend this to comments generally.
nimbusegaop6 hours ago
Definitely, comments are usually better than the article. I thought of a 'Letters to the Editors' section that shows top comments (https://news.ycombinator.com/bestcomments) and references the parent story, but it might not be as useful without the context.
Maybe 'See Comments' here could load the comments on the same page? In a newspaper like style.
jzombie6 hours ago
> Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
You're referring to using the embeddings for cosine similarity?
I am doing something similar with stocks. Taking several decades worth of 10-Q statements for a majority of stocks and weighted ETF holdings and using an autoencoder to generate embeddings that I run cosine and euclidean algorithms on via Rust WASM.
bobhakan hour ago
Pretty cool. Like how the animated GIFs will play and the type and whitespace balance is pretty solid. Ever seen Paper-HN? A similar idea: https://www.wolfgangfaust.com/project/paper-hn/ - A fun detail that one has is when you mouseover their photos they go to colour.
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eigenhombre3 hours ago
I liked this for two seconds; then all the pictures loaded in the browser window, and its usefulness to me plummeted. Similar to other commenters, I actually prefer text-only in this context; in particular, the first picture displayed just now was animated, and incredibly distracting.
I would probably use this or at least play with it extensively if not for this "feature." I find that, unlike "real" newspapers, leading images in blog posts and even much larger sites are frequently a net negative (a trend greatly worsened with the advent of AI image generators).
nimbusegaop3 hours ago
That's fair. How about a toggle to not show images?
paddy_m3 hours ago
I would pay money, $1+ postage to maybe $5 + postage to physically print out tweet streams and other articles and mail them to some old people I know.
I'm thinking specifically of DieWorkwear on twitter, but others too.
fdphoughton9 hours ago
This is pretty cool, it’s nice to have a clean interface that puts more focus on individual posts (as articles here) rather than tons of headlines where I feel I skim over posts a lot more (particularly the post about Jupiter only caught my attention on your site, not the front page).
I’d like if there was some support for customising it without liking and disliking so I could push topics I’m interested in first (e.g. those tagged with emacs). It would also be nice to hide the like and dislike buttons in general as it gives more of a social media feel that the newspaper style UI does well to shake.
stevage4 hours ago
Interesting, for me it's a bit the opposite. In the standard view I really read every headline and consider what might be through the click. In this version I skim more in mindless scrolling fashion.
billpg8 hours ago
Anyone remember "Hacker Monthly"? Years ago it was a monthly PDF with nicely laid out copies of popular articles that had been highly voted on here.
kqr7 hours ago
They also printed physical magazines and shipped them out. It was the first time I received a professionally printed copy of something I had authored.
3abiton2 hours ago
Looks really great, did you document the process or background of the project somewhere? I would love to read the journey!
belmead2 hours ago
This is excellent! I've been using it all day. I do wish it was a bit denser (similar to Drudge Report), but the product is neat enough as is. Congrats!
mahin8 hours ago
Nice! I recently worked on a chrome extension that personalizes the frontpage based on embeddings.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hn-explorer/amiaaon...
SamCoding6 hours ago
I'm getting the an error of "Failed to fetch stories"
The console error is: (index):464 Error loading stories: TypeError: Failed to construct 'URL': Invalid URL at (index):482:36 at Array.forEach (<anonymous>) at NewspaperApp.displayStories ((index):471:25) at NewspaperApp.loadStories ((index):461:26) at async NewspaperApp.initialize ((index):418:17)
Can anyone help? I really want to use this product it seems great.
SamCoding5 hours ago
Just fixed my own problem! You have to switch off your adblocker.
pflenker8 hours ago
This is very nice! If you - make it a pwa/web clip - link to the discussions - make the images colored again I’d use it over the regular hacker news ui any day. I know your use case is printing it out, but it’s fantastic for usage on a tablet.
cryptozeus9 hours ago
Good attempt but from the title I thought it would look like an actual print news paper
karaterobot6 hours ago
I guess you mean a digital newspaper with a layout inspired by print newspapers. It's definitely not a print newspaper, I know because I tried folding it in half to read on the train, and all that happened was my laptop screen broke.
istillwritecode9 hours ago
For those who prefer scrolling to reading I guess.
KerryJones3 hours ago
Is there a reason you chose not to display the comment count?
ideasphere4 hours ago
It’s funny how frequently people try to reinvent the wheel re: how this site is laid out. It’s the best part about it!
vunderba8 hours ago
There was an iOS app from practically a decade ago that did something very similar, but you could customize with RSS feeds, and it would turn it into a traditional looking newspaper.
Sadly, I can't remember the name of it but it was pretty great.
headclone8 hours ago
I remember this app as well; “Flipreader” comes to mind but yields no Google results.
It was the peak of RSS for me, beautiful UX, customizable, all the posts in sequential order if I wanted instead of algorithms…
I remember it because useless when web publishers realized they were losing ad views to apps like these and all the posts became previews with links.
soylentcola8 hours ago
I believe you are thinking of Flipboard (still around, but a bit different nowadays).
franzkappa8 hours ago
I think you are referring to Flipboard, it is still in the AppStore
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vunderba4 hours ago
Can't edit my post but it wasn't Flipboard.
Found it - it was Instapaper!
EDIT: Well maybe not, this one seems more like a replacement for ReadLater/GetPocket whereas the one I used was purely based off RSS feeds. I used it on the original iPad 1st gen so it's probably long gone. I give up.
otras8 hours ago
A fun evolution would be to format it into a newspaper format, complete with headlines, front page, and "continue reading on page N", then print it out on large paper, fold it, and mail it to you.
There's probably no money in it, but a physical weekly customized RSS feed highlights newspaper would be neat.
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brianfitz8 hours ago
Flipboard. https://about.flipboard.com/
webscout8 hours ago
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nightpool9 hours ago
Very cool! Looks like it has an XSS vector though :P
nightpool9 hours ago
The print stylesheets are also kind of broken. With my printer's default margins, the page becomes an overlapping mess: https://i.imgur.com/lTlFz4l.png
And even with margins turned off, stories are split "across" pages in a way that makes them useless for printing: https://i.imgur.com/SvmTGa8.png Need to pay more attention to your "break-inside" properties: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/break-insid... (and switch from using JS-generated absolute styles to using a CSS column layout or masonry grid)
nimbusegaop8 hours ago
Thank you! I missed that in my sleepiness. Should be fixed now.
ionwake2 hours ago
This is super cool
ilaksh7 hours ago
Amazing..and you're telling me you made this with less than 600 programmers?
banga6 hours ago
Sadly the media="print" view does not provide usable output.
frabjoused8 hours ago
Very cool, seems like it updates on a delay though, which will probably kill usability.
This post is not even on it.
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nimbusegaop8 hours ago
It updates every hour. This post is on it now!
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4gotunameagain8 hours ago
On brand with newspapers.
creative728 hours ago
The images in the website are in grayscale.
nimbusegaop8 hours ago
I thought it would fit the grayscale of newspapers. I can add an option to show them in color.
hakube7 hours ago
Looks like the NYT
syndicatedjelly7 hours ago
Love this project! I would love to collab, please consider open-sourcing this project, or let me know if I can contribute in some way
twochillin3 hours ago
Yeah would love to play with a couple PRs on this
berbec9 hours ago
This is nice, but I prefer the simpler style of hckrnews.com